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meydey321mmeydey321 Posts: 2,435
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:23 AM in Chronic Pain
I was dismissed from PT. My therapist told me around a week ago that my progress was zero. Gee, not even a tiny bit? They discharge you after a 30 day evaluation due to insurance reasons- you don't improve, they don't pay.
I'm not going to lie just to stay on. I gave it my best. I haven't gotten better like my surgeon hoped for. Then I started having sciatica in the opposite leg recently. I don't know what they will do. The last time I called, I got the feeling they wanted PM to deal with it. I think I may need an MRI, but unfortunately that's not for me to decide. I just have a feeling something else is amiss. But for now I feel like a failure.


  • I was over half way through with my PT and was having more pain than when I started it so I have quit for the time being. I may call and ask if they could go easy on the exersises and more on the massage therapy. I think they were pushing me to hard and they also didn't stand and watch to make sure I was doing the excersises correctly. They just bounced from person to person. I guess that's how they make their money, getting as many people in at the same time as they can.
  • Sorry it didn't go well for you. If you have dismiss yourself, that's pretty bad. I had a better therapist last year, and they showed you the exercises first.
    They will push you because they need a favorable report so they can get payed. That is just the reality of it. But there are good therapists out there that truly care, and are careful not to hurt you.
    Are you worried about what the doc is going to say about you leaving? I would call him and let him know before they do.
    Meanwhile, I'll do what I can at home.
  • My doctor knows. I just didn't feel it was doing any good and why waste everyones time. My doctor also sent me to a nutristionist (sp) which was a waste of time and money. The poor woman didn't even know what she was supposed to do with me so we just went over the 4 basic food groups. Silly in my opinion.
  • Are you kidding me :jawdrop: What is she going to do for you. Is this a new alternative treatment? And worst of all, you have to pay. Incredible.
    I know we have to watch our weight so our back pain doesn't worsen or something. And eat healthy. But we don't need a nutritionist for our back problems. If people want to do it, fine, that's their prerogative. But if you are like me, buried up to the eyeballs in medical bills, I don't have the money for such a silly thing either.
    How many sessions do you have to go thru?
  • I'm sorry it didn't work for you. :( But please don't feel like you're a failure. You did what you were supposed to and yet it just didn't work. That's not a reflection on you though. Maybe in light of this you will get an MRI and something will raise a red flag on it.
    I'm done next week and I've made little if any progress. Even if I were doing better, due to insurance limits I wouldn't be able to continue on. I'm maxed out on visits for the year and I don't know what will happen now.
  • I told them that my Insurance didn't cover it but went for one session just to make my doctor happy. They charge $135.00 per hour. I am not overwieght. 5'4" 117lbs. I know how to eat and cook healthy, but the problem I am having right now is I can't stand long enough to cook a nutritional meal and when the pain is a 10 I don't have much of an appetite. CRAZY> 8}
  • Sorry it didn't work for you either. I really went in to it with a positive attitude but even my Mom who was visiting said she noticed that I was getting worse. They were just young kids and although they were very nice, I didn't get the feeling they were taking me serious.

    I have had an MRI of my Thorasic spine and am now waiting to get one of my cervical spine and after that they will try an epidural. Meanwhile I am struggling with about a constant 7 or 8 on the pain level. No meds.
  • freaking nuts suziee! I'd ask your doc next time what benefit this nutritionist would provide for your back pain. Wow!! I just do not get that at all.
  • Suzie, You are perfectly within your weight range. I'm jealous :) A lot of us pack the pounds. I put on 15 lbs from when I hurt my back last year. And the steroids and ESI's didn't help for sure. You're fine; who the hell can stand up and cook with a high pain level? Many a night my husband had to because I was bedridden. I would burn that $135 bill, ridiculous

    Angela, thank you for your encouragement. Keep with the PT as long as you can if it's beneficial for you. I too have a limit and I wouldn't want to pay out of pocket for that.
    I guess the question for us is what's next.
  • He had some silly excuse about me being to thin to carry the weight of my back. B.S. I have been thinner, alot thinner and have never had back problems. That's why I feel he was just grasping at straws. The reason he wanted me to go to PT was to build up the muscles in my back. That to me was silly as well since I have always had a very physical job and never had back issues. I can buy in to the stretching exercises because I am not very limber but the rest I don't buy in to.
  • what a crock, too heavy that is why you have a bad back. i am heavy now but from lack of exercise. my back problems started due to my tennis, running, swimming etc. a lot of athletics get back problems due to too much stress on your system not being fat. that is what my brother in law thinks, i had to have more surgery due to my weight. of course it could not be because laminectomy did not work could it? i feel like giving these people a ;poke in the butt with my cane

    your angry poster
    jon X( ~X(
    I have 4 fusions from L5-3, the latest last May '12 where they fixed my disc that broke.They went through my side this time. I take 40 mg of oxycontin 4x a day and 4 fenatyl lollipops 300 micro gms 4x a day.
  • Your right its a bunch of crap. As I said in another thread I think he has been grasping at straws. This has been going on for almost a year now and I would think most doctors would have passed me on to a specialist of some sort but he hasn't. I also get the feeling he does not want me to see another Doctor. He sent my MRI to a neurosurgeon but didn't send me to a neuroligist because he said he didn't think I had any nerve damage. My foot tingles and burns! I think he wants to be the hero and fix me.
  • That's the most idiotic reasoning I've heard. Yeah, he trying to be Mr.Hotshot,Superdoc. Where is he pulling out these crazy ideas from- wait, don't tell me. I think I have an idea.
  • that by him prolonging the correct treatment because of this ego trip he's on or whatever it is, it's costing you NOW and it won't get better over time either. I couldn't agree more with what Jon said.

    Meydey-lol with the end nearing, I find myself constantly wondering what's the next step. Too bad we don't have a crystal ball, eh? ;))
  • As long as we have something to take for pain, it takes the edge off the misery. I feel sorry for those whose doctors won't give them anything but injections. They are costly and don't always work.
    Just take it day by day, that's all we can do. :SS
  • I know how some of you feel about going to the ER with back pain but I think I am going to have my husband take me when he gets off work. I just can't take it anymore, I need some relief.

    I spoke with our client who is an ER doctor about people coming in with back pain and such and he said they had no problem with it. He said the only time they started having problems with it was when they have the same person come in 10 or 12 times in a few months time, that's when they start turning them away.

    I wish I would have asked him if he was on duty tonight because he has been following my whole saga these past 9 months or so and he knows how disapointed I am with my doctor. He has even offered to give me trigger point injections but I really only have one and I don't know that it would help as my whole back is acheing and on fire.

    Has any of you gone to the ER for pain?

    I'm just at my wits end and am so angry with my doctor, I wish I could give him my pain for a day and see how he likes it.
  • By all means, go. You know your body and I'm sorry about your agony. Ask the ER doc if he'll call your specialist, so you get the best treatment possible, and he will know what medicines works best for you.
    Post when you can, we're here for you >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D< >:D<
    Take care sweetie
  • I don't have a specialist. My doctor see's no reason to send me to a specialist. If the epidural does not work then he said he would probably send me to a pain management clinic but the one he wants to send me to is a 3 hour drive from where we live. We have clinics in my citie so I don't know why he wants to send me to a different Citie. I guess we will cross that bridge when we get there.
  • do you need a referral for insurance purposes? Maybe you could take charge of your own care and schedule with a specialist yourself? My insurance does not require a referral but I know that some do. I think that if I were you I would be looking for a new GP.
  • It seems that where I live you need a referral for everything. I do need a new GP and I have tried but no one wants to take on someone with back pain and an open workmans comp. claim. I guess I don't blame them for not wanting to step in to the middle of something. Hopefully I will get this epidural and feel better.

    I am scheduled for my Cervical MRI on Sunday and my epidural is scheduled for the 17th.

    I can't tell you how frustrated I am with my doctor. I don't even consider him my doctor anymore, he is just a vechicle to get me an epidural at this point.
  • How are you today? Were you able to go to the hospital? This thing with this doctor is hindering you from getting prompt treatment. And he better find you a pain doctor that is not 3 hours away. I had a complete breakdown and extraordinary pain just for half that time. But it's not unheard of folks having to travel that long once a month just to see a specialist.
    I hope the epidural does you some good, and it sounds like finally this GP is getting the point. It's easy to contemplate and massage your ego when you're not the one in pain. Stay on his case if you have to.
  • My pain management doctor is a nice little old man who I like, but he's not always on the ball and can say some of the oddest things. I think he's too old to still practice. I just saw him a couple of days ago and he told me that I need to lose 80 pounds. 80 pounds? I would weigh well under 100 pounds and I'm 5'7"! I pointed this out and he said that's the point. I had to laugh after I walked out of the office. I do need to lose 30 pounds, and that's all. That would put me at my perfect weight, but it's hard to do when you are in pain. And yes, I've gone to the ER when my back is in too much pain, it's what they are there for, emergencies. I also wanted to mention that it sounds like your doctor is working for WC instead of for you. I really wonder about that! Good luck and I hope you get some relief soon!
  • Do you all know what they call the Doctor who was last in his class?

    Don't always assume the problem is with you, and even if it is, the Medical Pro is responsible for fixing it. NOT YOU.

    You are not a spine. You are a human being with a problem with your spine. First a human being.
    Spines do not walk into the office.

    I had a lecture on this in the first weeks of Dental-Medical School at Tufts in 1964.
    Less pain to you all, Eric
  • Thank you for being sympathetic and understanding. Having a sense of humor is good for coping with life and the pains that come along with it.
    Do you have spine problems too? I just walked out of my pain doctor's office today feeling hopeful. I had a TLIF/Laminectomy last June, and even when I was told that it was successful, I feel like I did prior to it. I had the same scenario last year after a microdiscectomy, and never got relief.
    I developed sciatica in the opposite leg, and I was told it was probably swelling and inflammation from the hardware. I wonder if the nerve is damaged from last year.

    Topfuelfan, that was just precious. He probably misspoke, but it seems he's treating you well. If I lost 80 lbs, I'd look like a brokeback supermodel :)

  • I wish he had! When I mentioned how thin I would be he then reduced it to 75 pounds. LOL! If I lost that much weight, I would make the Olsen twins look fat! Hey, maybe if I did lose that much weight I could head to Hollywood and get my own show! What do you think? =)) Yes, he does treat me good but, he's just not always "there", if you get my meaning.
  • Well, now you've had to make us all wonder about that! LOL! How would we know if we did get that doctor who was last in his class? I want the one who was first! :D Thank you for your input! :H
  • I feel like a walking spine. It has taken control of everything in my life, as it also appears to have done to others. Would you be my doctor? I love your compassion!
  • Yeah, it sounds like retirement time is just around the corner. Maybe you should start looking for another in the near future. Which do you prefer, older or younger doctors?
  • some of you say you need referrals or your dr won't send you to a specialisr. do you have hmo or ppo insurance? if you have hmo it stands to reason that they will require a referral to go to another dr. i believe most if not all hmos do. i have ppo and most of the time i do not require referrals. i can look up a specialist, call and make an appt without question and show up on the appt day without any questions to answer. i believe when i had my last fusion, the hospital had to contact insurance to get authorization but for the most part i don't. if you have a good ppo check and i believe in most instances a referral is not needed. of course workman's comp is different. are referrals necessary for wc doctors? sometimes you can choose from a list of drs and i believe it differs from state to state. thank god for ppo's. i refuse to sign up for hom's eventhough ppo is more expensive. i also trust drs from ppos. i can go to stanford hospital which is one of the best in the country and make an appt without a referral. if you don't know it might be worth your while to check and see if you need a referral if you are ppo. i believe some of these drs who won't treat some of you asked for a slow train for christmas and instead got a slow brain instead

    jon :H
    I have 4 fusions from L5-3, the latest last May '12 where they fixed my disc that broke.They went through my side this time. I take 40 mg of oxycontin 4x a day and 4 fenatyl lollipops 300 micro gms 4x a day.
  • in my experience are so restrictive. I hated it. I would rather pay for a PPO than to deal the other BS. I have to find a plan that would have all my docs on it because I don't want to have to change them midstream, esp. because of the fusion I had.
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