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Physical Theropy

backpainishellbbackpainishell Posts: 970
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:24 AM in Exercise and Rehab
Has anyone ever had physical theropy that has made there spinal conditions worse??? :''( :''( I would love to read your stories. :?


Angie x :O
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  • The end of last year, i had finally got my pain under control :) . So when my doctor suggested i go to PT, i was rareing to go =D> . By the second session i was in absolute agony :''( , at first i though , "oh its because i was using muscles and stretching ham strings that hadnt been used in a long time" :''( . So i carried on until the forth session :O . By this time i was in tears i just couldnt stand the pain in my lower back :''( , and a familar pain returned with a vengance, the siatic pain :''( . I told the PT they told me just to carry on through the pain :( . I tried but i couldnt. I went back to my doctor and he said it was just down right silly to continue through the pain, as it was my bodies way of talking back to me and telling me to stop :? . So i never went back i just could not do the exercises :O , i did keep trying over the weeks, but it just made it worse :SS . The point i am trying to get across here is listen to your body if you feel extreme pain as i did in the area where it is sensative, just stop go back and see your doctor because you could be doing more damage than good :T .


    Angie :H
  • Hi angie u know i never did try pt and i just battled on and took my pain meds, i did alot of walking though which i dont know if it helped me, i cant walk far now after the surgery.well u know my story there!!!...anyway i didnt go to physio because my gp said to me physio is no good for disc problems, so i didnt go...so on that one i dont know if it would actually help me or not, now i think im well passed the point of pt...........maybe the physio is right u do have to just push on through it, but if it made ur pain worse then im wondering if u were actually doing damage??? with me before the op i always felt as though my back was on fire, if its the bones then im not sure pt would help suppose it depends on each case .dosent it...different courses for differen horses and all that, thinking of u angie and wishing i could take all ur pain away :* then u wouldnt need a physio lol :X
  • :) i did pt right after my first double laminectoy and it not only speeded up my recovery but made me feel stronger and better equipt to face the outside world. <:P never ever felt worse because of it! only done incorectly will pt give you bad results. :T even now i use exercise and sretching to hlep control my current pain. :O) Jenny :)
  • Hiya Marie,
    How are you? Need that catch up! just wondering, Did you ever ask your doctor why physio was bad for disc problems?Yes more damage was caused by doing it, i cannot tell you the pain i was in. It was awful!


    Angie x
  • Hiya Jenny
    The physio was never done incorrectly or given in the wrong way. The problem in my case was i never had physio after my operation, it was only suggested 3/4 years after my surgery. By that time it was to late i feel, and thats why it triggered more damage. I am happy that it worked out well for you, i think if i had been given it after the operation then things would have been much much different.
    I wish you well.

    Angie x
  • :) backpainishell, i am sorry to read of the neglect that went into your recovery. :''( those doctors should be so ashamed of themselves. of course you are the one who has to pay. ~X( it is never to late to start an exercise program. check with your doctors! Jenny :)
  • Hiya Jenny, >:D<
    Thankyou for youe message :) I tried the exercise programme last year just before christmas :''( and thats when it set me back, and increased my pain :''( , its done more damage than good, my disc is prolapsed which is causing the siatic pain, they say i have to live with it :''( . Im having epidural injections on the 28th november, so i hope that its going to give me some relief , i cant take much more of this pain :( .


    Angie :H
  • Angie

    Good luck with the epidurals - if they give you some relief perhaps that would be a good time to restart your physio?

    I had a revision microsdiscectomy back in july and have had a very rocky recovery - am still in a lot of neural pain - my pain physio explained it that after you have been in pain for a while your nerve hotwiring becomes shot - so like a house where there has been a burglary but the alarm is still going off. Anyway - the thing all my specialists have told me has been to do very gentle stretching to prevent the scar tissue binding. Since I have started that I am still in pain but less and I can do more.

    Perhaps you should try and find a specialist chronic pain physio in birmingham (mine is in london) - they are totally different to spinal rehab physios and it might be what you need.

    PM me if you like

    N
  • Hiya Nicola,
    I am so glad that it works for you. Yes perhaps you are right specialist physios would be much better. There is a orthopedic hospital in birmingham, i may suggest that to the Pain Magagement. To be honest i am where i was before i had the operation back in 2002. This morning my daughter caught me crying, this was because im in so much pain, so she rang the PM team at the hospital, who told her what to do and what to give me. Ive been a sleep all day woke up at 12.30 am, im still gettingthat burning pain when i walk and the sharp radiating pain into my foot. My feet legs, and ankles are still swollen. I get this pain in my feet and the doctor said it could be my heart because it sounds like the blood isnt pumping around my veins properly, so when i have the ECG, and they know what it is, they can start me on some medication. sorry for waffling.


    Angie x
  • I hope everything works out and the heart is okay. I had to take lasix to get my foot swelling down. I found physio too was painful. There are some excercises I'm doing here that are listed under sciatica and gentle stretches. Keep us posted on how you're doing. Take care. Charry
    DDD of lumbar spine with sciatica to left hip,leg and foot. L4-L5 posterior disc bulge with prominent facets, L5-S1 prominent facets with a posterior osteocartilaginous bar. Mild bilateral foraminal narrowing c-spine c4-c7 RN
  • Will do, i have the ECG in the morning and as soon as they fax the hospital the results over, the PM will start me on some meds. Just fed up of feeling so ill all the time, and so tired.


    Angie x
  • hey angie

    good luck for the ECG.

    I wouldnt say it completely "works" for me because often physio flares me up which is why I was referred to this chronic pain physio. they deal with things in a very different way and I really think it is something that could work for you if your nerves are hypersensitised and you experience extreme flare ups from any form of physio. I push on through with my rehab spinal physio as well because I know my muscles are atrophied and I really need the stretching and core work.

    we just keep on going dont we.

    take care

    N
  • I hope you can find a physical therapist who is more tuned into your pain and what you need specifically. I felt the physical therapist I went to also did more harm than good. She used a "fear" method to get patients' attention. She goes over all the things that can go wrong and shares war stories of people who have reherniated. She had me so scared, I actually had to lie down because I felt I might pass out. Then she really didn't give me any hope, and the exercises she did give me were very basic and I am wondering in some cases if they are a good idea.

    Even when I asked her several times for "core" exercises, she told me I had a strong core and it wasn't a weakness that caused my herniation in the first place. I encourage you to look into another therapist, especially if you are in pain. Therapy is supposed to help with that, not make it worse. You did the right thing by stopping when it hurt you more. I wish you all the best!

    Hugs,
    Haylie
  • I dont think i made it clear to the physio(physical theropy) that they were giving me :B . They call it physio aerobics :O . They got me running which caused pain. I know im going to get a certain amount of pain doing physio, but not the pain that i was left with :''( . The more pain i got the more they pushed me :''( . It was like a physio circuit, where you have about 6 different exercises to do, but weather they were spineys, knees, necks, arthritus we all had the same exercise curcuit to do , we were all dropping out one by one :( . My GP was not happy about this when i told him :S . I think he felt partly to blame , after all it was he that reffered me :S .


    Angie x
  • Oh my god angie - no no no!!

    That physio sounds awful. No wonder you were in more pain doing impact work with a disc problem. And no wonder you see physio as something bad and to be avoided at all costs. I felt the same - but seeing this chronic pain physio has really helped and I think that sort of approach which would take tiny steps towards getting you stronger would help.

    You need people who will help in the best way for you and the problem is there are a LOT of physios out there who day to day only deal with people who have fairly minor or "acute" issues and not chronic pain.

    N

  • any hamstring, touch your toes, straight leg raise.

    I know they say that hamstring stretches are the best for the back, but whenever I have flare ups and MDs get me to therapy, they always make it worse.
  • Did you go back to physio? Anyway my benefits ran out for me. So hopefully with my 2nd pain management Doctor has a rehab program which I saw online and they do physio for rehab so hopefully that's covered my our healthplan. I think physio should be tailored to the person and not in groups. Take care. Charry
    DDD of lumbar spine with sciatica to left hip,leg and foot. L4-L5 posterior disc bulge with prominent facets, L5-S1 prominent facets with a posterior osteocartilaginous bar. Mild bilateral foraminal narrowing c-spine c4-c7 RN
  • This was not a one to one physio :O , it was groups. Weather you have arthritus, knee replacements, lower back , neck..anyway we all had the same exercises :''( . No i never went back. :?


    Angie :D
  • So, I have been sitting here thinking about PT and whether or not it helps or not, I came across this thread. You see I have done PT for about 10 months...I kept going but felt I wasn't getting much from it. I started a new PT in Oct. it has felt totally different (as per what they did). Does it help cervical disks? Can it harm a disk pushing on a nerve? Yes it is painful, but does it help? I am left feeling totally indifferent.
  • Hiya :D Thankyou for your reply :? Sometimes yes physio can make it much worse and cause it to prolapse :? , my doctor said where i went wrong was :''( , when i felt in pain i should have stopped but the physios made me carry on :''( . The physio isnt so much to work the discs or nerves but to build the strength of the muscle in your back. :)



    Angie >:D< :H
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