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doctors are afraid to treat for pain all the sudden

AnonymousUserAAnonymousUser Posts: 49,731
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:24 AM in Chronic Pain
Hello everyone im new here,

Hello everyone im new here, glad to find this site. i have been having chronic pain for 5 years now.started with lower back pain, L 3-4 disc bulge, multi level degerative spondylosis effecting L 4-5, disc buldge L 5-S1 with some sclerosis. I been seeing the same family doctor for 5 yrs. he put me on vicodan hp, pain was really bad due to a fall on ice at that time. moved me up really quick to percocet, oxycotin, then said h would take me off after 1 year so he said the only way off was methadone, oh my i was only taking 1 or 2 pain pills a day so his dose was to high so i didnt want to take them, helped the pain of course i was in another world though and didnt realize it until friends became concerned. so i stopped one day after about a month of taking methadone. then i fainted i didnt know what the heck withdraw was and that these pills would do this, i went to the hospital and they detoxed me there. now my doctor when i came out put me back on vicodan again a week later. by the way he seems to give anyone vicodan even if they dont have proof found this out later. well this is my story when my pain gets worse some weeks especially now i have a 2 yr old and im 40 yrs old. went in with neck and shoulder arm pain same doc. he gave me percocet right before he went on vacation.no problem to get them ever before maybe 5 times a yr when vicodan dont work for more severe pain. he send me for a mri for my neck and shoulder my results were C5-6 HERNIATION INDENTING THE THECAL SAC? C6-7 ABNORMAL LESION LEFT NUERAL FOREMAN possible disc rupture not a tumor,straighning of the cervical spine. highly reccommend contrast mri repeat. getting done soon. now the shoulder. mild arthropathy, subdeltoid bursitis and bicep synovitis, a possible tear of the anterosuperior labrum. rotary cuff tear and other stuff i dont understand anhy of this and i dont think my family doctor does either.i am in horrific pain went the3re crying cant move my shoulder explained i have a 2 yr old and he said im taking vicodan thats enough im climbing to high up the pain medicine mountain. mind you this is the same doctor who gave me methadone before mri's. im n ot a drug addict. well he told me when he was on vacation someone stole his prescription pad and the fda is investigating him and he can give me stronger meds.and hes worried about his liscense. well my sister went there a week later has no pain and never had a test said her legs hurt and he gave her vicodan. and 3 other friends she sent there, taking the pills to get high. i told my dr not to give them to my sister that she is abusing them and shes not in pain but he didnt listen. why do you think my doctor is making me suffer now and telling me to learn how to deal with my pain and go off all pain meds while he is giving oput vicodan like crazy. is percocet that big of a deal now a days? i need to find a new doctor whos understanding but i always seen him for the last 5 years. anyone out there have an idea what may be going on with this doctor. he told me he likes me and he got rid of half his patients for abusing meds but i never ever abused i always used less and went to his pharmacies and had them send over all my records. i dont feel comfortable with him now i feel like hes treating me like his other patients he made into addicts that dont even have pain.

sincerely dawn
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  • I would definitely ask for referral to neurologist or find a pain management Doctor or ortho. Too long you've been in pain and no referral to a specialist. Move on and get another Doctor. You can even find a pain management clinic without a referral. Best of luck. Charry
    DDD of lumbar spine with sciatica to left hip,leg and foot. L4-L5 posterior disc bulge with prominent facets, L5-S1 prominent facets with a posterior osteocartilaginous bar. Mild bilateral foraminal narrowing c-spine c4-c7 RN
  • charry said:
    I would definitely ask for referral to neurologist or find a pain management Doctor or ortho. Too long you've been in pain and no referral to a specialist. Move on and get another Doctor. You can even find a pain management clinic without a referral. Best of luck. Charry
    thanks i did see a orthopedic in 2004*2005 and he did epidurals that actually made my pain worst after a few days it felt like i was being electricuted evertime i would sit down. he sent me to pain management and because of all the meds from doctor quack i mentioned seeing methadone on your records doesnt look good even though i only took them for 3-4 weeks and wanted off. first thing he said was dont expect any medicine from me.then he wanted to do a non invasive surgery i forget the name of it where they go in and inject dye in the disc and seal the leaks but then i got pregnant and never wanted to go back to him after his comment. but the upper back neck and shoulder pain started 4 months ago and i have weakness and numbness in my arm and fingers my muscle looks deformed and weak on the left side and my doctor is always trying to send me to his specialist. he wants me to go to his surgeon i said i found my own. i have an appointment with a orthopedic on the 3rd then maybe i will see his nuero/orthepedic specialist for a second opinion. im taking the medicine thing personally because i feel like its me we where all very close at my drs. office. and when i really have the worst pain of my life he went uh deal with it. be thank ful for the vicodan. but im funny about meds i still only take 2 vics tops a day because im afraid of the tylenol. and they really stopped working for me especially after he gave me something stronger. he thinks everything is in my head. i dont even think he looked at my results. or maybe he is to much of a quack to understand the mri terminology i know i dont understand it. but i never ever had to worry about pain management with meds with him before did everything he ever asked. xrays mris cat scan did physical therapy, accupunture etc. i wish i knew what his problem is im upset and taking it personally my sister says i shouldnt but she rubbed it in that he gave her pills and doesnt have any pain history on her. does pain management drs try surgery not medicine like the one i went to a few yrs ago.
    thanks dawn
  • dawn1068 said:
    i told my dr not to give them to my sister that she is abusing them and shes not in pain but he didnt listen. why do you think my doctor is making me suffer now and telling me to learn how to deal with my pain and go off all pain meds while he is giving oput vicodan like crazy. is percocet that big of a deal now a days? i need to find a new doctor whos understanding but i always seen him for the last 5 years. anyone out there have an idea what may be going on with this doctor. he told me he likes me and he got rid of half his patients for abusing meds but i never ever abused i always used less and went to his pharmacies and had them send over all my records. i dont feel comfortable with him now i feel like hes treating me like his other patients he made into addicts that dont even have pain.

    sincerely dawn
    Dawn~Welcome to Spine Health.. :H


    While you can feel free to tell your Dr anything about another person/patient,even if that person is your sister..the Dr is not in the position of taking orders from another patient.All that they will do is listen to you,but not nessesarily take what you say about another person under advisement.

    If you don't feel comfortable with him now,and feel that he is treating you like his other patients that he has "made into addicts",why do you continue to see him?If you really feel that this Dr is "giving out vicodin like crazy" and you want to be treated seriously for your pain,I would advise you to seek out help from another professional in your area.As you have been taking pain medication for quite some time it won't be wise to stop abrubtly without a Drs help,as I'm sure you are aware.

    All scheduled pain medications are taken seriously,and anyone prescribed them should be aware of this fact.Not only because of the ability to become addicted to any drug,but also the diversion techniques that some people that are prescribed pain medications are involved in.Most people with chronic pain take their medication as prescribed and do become dependant on their medications in order to live a quality of life that might (sort of look like) it equals a normal person.A few percentage of people do become addicted to pain medications and there is a huge difference between dependance & addiction.I only mention all of this because you asked if "percocet was that big a deal now a days."

    I hope that you find a good Dr and one who treats your pain and injury with the seriousness that it deserves.Good luck in your search and keep us posted.. :)
  • Robin said:
    dawn1068 said:
    i told my dr not to give them to my sister that she is abusing them and shes not in pain but he didnt listen. why do you think my doctor is making me suffer now and telling me to learn how to deal with my pain and go off all pain meds while he is giving oput vicodan like crazy. is percocet that big of a deal now a days? i need to find a new doctor whos understanding but i always seen him for the last 5 years. anyone out there have an idea what may be going on with this doctor. he told me he likes me and he got rid of half his patients for abusing meds but i never ever abused i always used less and went to his pharmacies and had them send over all my records. i dont feel comfortable with him now i feel like hes treating me like his other patients he made into addicts that dont even have pain.

    sincerely dawn


    Dawn~Welcome to Spine Health.. :H


    While you can feel free to tell your Dr anything about another person/patient,even if that person is your sister..the Dr is not in the position of taking orders from another patient.All that they will do is listen to you,but not nessesarily take what you say about another person under advisement.

    If you don't feel comfortable with him now,and feel that he is treating you like his other patients that he has "made into addicts",why do you continue to see him?If you really feel that this Dr is "giving out vicodin like crazy" and you want to be treated seriously for your pain,I would advise you to seek out help from another professional in your area.As you have been taking pain medication for quite some time it won't be wise to stop abrubtly without a Drs help,as I'm sure you are aware.

    All scheduled pain medications are taken seriously,and anyone prescribed them should be aware of this fact.Not only because of the ability to become addicted to any drug,but also the diversion techniques that some people that are prescribed pain medications are involved in.Most people with chronic pain take their medication as prescribed and do become dependant on their medications in order to live a quality of life that might (sort of look like) it equals a normal person.A few percentage of people do become addicted to pain medications and there is a huge difference between dependance & addiction.I only mention all of this because you asked if "percocet was that big a deal now a days."

    I hope that you find a good Dr and one who treats your pain and injury with the seriousness that it deserves.Good luck in your search and keep us posted.. :)
    I continue to see him because im afraid other doctors will take me off my medicine the only sane thing that only helps somewhat and i have a very active 2 year old and im getting worst not better (my pain) and so many doctors are strict with medicine. and i cant get out of bed in the morning without having to take my medicines. im also on antideppresants and have panick disorder. i dont leave the house an ymore due to the pain i have i am not leading a normal life at all. back pain is the worst pain, it ruined 5 years of my life. ive tried every other alternative out there, pilates worked good i must say but expensive for private sessions so i dont injure my back doing it myself is difficult. i want to change doctors so i havent really been to any other doctors besides physical therapy so im concerned that i might not get any meds for severe pain and then what do i do? i dont know what real pain management doctors do can anyone explain if they really help. im afraid to make a new leap. i do have an appointment monday with a new ortho surgeon i mad on my own.
  • Now That is understandable...especailly if you get the panic attacks.I feel for you there because I know how those are.I get them sometimes myself,though not as often as I used to.Just last night out of nowhere I started to get what I call an anxiety attack,but nothing was going on..no reason whatsoever for this one..thankfully it didn't last long and my deep breathing/meditation helped get it under control.

    Well-I do see your point-It is scary changing Drs..but honestly I think it would be a wise decision.Just my opinion of course.

    Any Dr that you go to would not want to prescribe if they think that you are going to be getting prescriptions from the Dr you are seeing now...but if you let them know that you want to switch,but also want your pain treated(be honest)then you could go from there.Of course you would need to know if the Dr would treat your pain and how.I really don't know how a person goes about that.

    I'll tell you~my PCP referred me to PM for my pain management because she did not feel comfortable treating my pain with long term pain medications.I still see my PCP,and we get along really well because she explained to me how and why she felt this way.I'll admit that in the beginning I was not quite so understanding(lol)but I have come to learn of her reasons and have a better understanding from her point of view.

    I don't know how old you are and age has nothing to do with pain,but you did mention having a 2 year old...my OS mentioned to me that surgery would be a last resort and I totally agree.I've had plenty of operations and really would rather not have spinal surgery unless it becomes absolutely neccesary.My spine problems are cervicle.

    Yes,Drs are strict with medicine,and if you find a PM they more than likely will be strict as well.I signed a contract with mine.There is a copy of a contact here on the site somewhere...have you seen it yet? lol

    There won't be a reason to worry however as long as you take your medication as prescribed everything will be fine.I have no regrets going to my PM~he has tried everything from injections and therapy to different medication and the TENs unit to relieve my pain...and he listens and really tries to help.

    I did need a referral to get in and had a 6 week wait,but I've heard others post of getting in without a referral.
  • Robin said:
    Now That is understandable...especailly if you get the panic attacks.I feel for you there because I know how those are.I get them sometimes myself,though not as often as I used to.Just last night out of nowhere I started to get what I call an anxiety attack,but nothing was going on..no reason whatsoever for this one..thankfully it didn't last long and my deep breathing/meditation helped get it under control.

    Well-I do see your point-It is scary changing Drs..but honestly I think it would be a wise decision.Just my opinion of course.

    Any Dr that you go to would not want to prescribe if they think that you are going to be getting prescriptions from the Dr you are seeing now...but if you let them know that you want to switch,but also want your pain treated(be honest)then you could go from there.Of course you would need to know if the Dr would treat your pain and how.I really don't know how a person goes about that.

    I'll tell you~my PCP referred me to PM for my pain management because she did not feel comfortable treating my pain with long term pain medications.I still see my PCP,and we get along really well because she explained to me how and why she felt this way.I'll admit that in the beginning I was not quite so understanding(lol)but I have come to learn of her reasons and have a better understanding from her point of view.

    I don't know how old you are and age has nothing to do with pain,but you did mention having a 2 year old...my OS mentioned to me that surgery would be a last resort and I totally agree.I've had plenty of operations and really would rather not have spinal surgery unless it becomes absolutely neccesary.My spine problems are cervicle.

    Yes,Drs are strict with medicine,and if you find a PM they more than likely will be strict as well.I signed a contract with mine.There is a copy of a contact here on the site somewhere...have you seen it yet? lol

    There won't be a reason to worry however as long as you take your medication as prescribed everything will be fine.I have no regrets going to my PM~he has tried everything from injections and therapy to different medication and the TENs unit to relieve my pain...and he listens and really tries to help.

    I did need a referral to get in and had a 6 week wait,but I've heard others post of getting in without a referral.
    i just joined today but im curious what does the contract say? Lol.. my doctor tried to really explain why pain medicine isnt right for me also but after 5 years and with my new cervical and shoulder condition was not the right time. i cried in his office saying how am i suppose to take care of my son. im 40 by the way. i was in sop much pain and a few weeks later felt alot better but you know never painfree but everytime i get severe pain like the last few days i cant help but be mad at my doctor. he just did this all at the worst possible time. atleast he should of waited for my appointment with the orthopedic doctor. i told him im depressed i am in pain every single minute of the day. i became an agitated inpatient person. i dont enjoy a day of my life due to pain. i cried in his office telling him do you know what its like not to be able to pick up my son to long and used an example i took him apple picking and pumkin patch hay ride after not leaving the house for months took the percs i had left to make it thru the day and for a week i was in bed woith my heating pad. i feel bad for my son i was like why cant this doctor give me a few months of a somewhat painfree life until i get better with other treatments starting soon and my son is in the terrible two stage. i even said why does real patients have to suffer for other people abusing medicines? its not fair. then i seen something online 10 signs your addicted to pain medicine. and being argumentive with your dr. LOL and being defensive oh boy was i defensive i called the pharmacies crying saying the doctor thinks im abusing my medicine send him my history and even brought in old strong meds from a few yrs ago he gave me and a prescription from 2007 he wrote i never filled he was shocked and i was like wow am i addicted? but you know what i havent took anything else since he took me off percs except for my regular vicodan 2 a day and im aloud 4 but rarely take 3 in severe pain. and for you oh panick attacks/anxiety attacks they are also crippling and my dr. also blames them for my back problems saying they cause muscle spasms and squeeze the spine and the medicine valium i take and use to take xanax years ago for them on a as need basis just when i had them. i had panic since i was 16 yrs old. no matter how mqany times a doctor told me they dont kill you i still think im dying to this day. i never get them while im mad or stressed either. odd right? just out of the blue they come and i even had one when my dr. gave me a cortisone shot he knows im not faking them LOl i shake cant breath i made him do an ekg he didnt know what to do he was like take a valium hurry should i go to the pharmacy and get you something my dr was even scared. prpbaly thought it was a allergic reaction LOl well any how he told me he cant give me a steroid anymore because it has a adreniline effect same as what happens with panic attacks and so does the stuff the dentist give you to numb you have the same adreniline. how long have you had panic attacks for? i can help you with them if you ever need me. they are scarey right? i spent years in the emergency room for them.ps. if you can find that contract for pm please copy for me i heard wierd stuff about pain management. i hated physical therapy i been to so many places they stick you in a room and put electrical things that do notheing then heat and stretch me i can do this stuff at home and they make a fortune. i havent found the right place yet. i tried spinal decopression at a chiropractors and it wass new to him he stretched to much to fast and all my muscles went into spasm later that night even my ab muscles it was painful. my chiro came to my housse and brought me a heating pad and everything. he felt so bad,,LOl atleast he was a good looking fit chiropractor
    dawm
  • This is not exactly like my contract,there are differences,and this is one of them that I found here on the forum;

    http://www.sdcpms.com/pdf/form_sample_opiate_contract.pdf
  • At least you haven't lost your sense of humor through all of this. :))(
    I can tell you that I love my PM doc. He is very compassionate. I have never had to sign a contract but have heard from lots of folks on this forum about it. The pain contract is under the Pain Management section. I am on methadone and I have never been addicted to anything. I am on it just like other folks for pain control and it works very well for me. It is also much safer to take than the vicoden because it does not effect your organs. You really need to find another doc. I do understand your concerns. One of the things that a pain contract says is that you can not receive pain meds from any other source. So when the other doc saw that you were getting all of these meds from your GP they did not want to prescribe more. You need to let the new doc know that you will not be getting the meds from GP anymore and that you need better pain control. There is a doc out there that can and will help you. You may want to keep a journal of your pain, what makes it worse, what helps, etc. Write down any and all questions that you have and assure them that you are in pain, not a drug seeker and that you need a doc that can manage your pain better than the GP is doing. Tell them how it is effecting your life. Good luck to you and please keep us posted.
  • painintheback said:
    At least you haven't lost your sense of humor through all of this. :))(
    I can tell you that I love my PM doc. He is very compassionate. I have never had to sign a contract but have heard from lots of folks on this forum about it. The pain contract is under the Pain Management section. I am on methadone and I have never been addicted to anything. I am on it just like other folks for pain control and it works very well for me. It is also much safer to take than the vicoden because it does not effect your organs. You really need to find another doc. I do understand your concerns. One of the things that a pain contract says is that you can not receive pain meds from any other source. So when the other doc saw that you were getting all of these meds from your GP they did not want to prescribe more. You need to let the new doc know that you will not be getting the meds from GP anymore and that you need better pain control. There is a doc out there that can and will help you. You may want to keep a journal of your pain, what makes it worse, what helps, etc. Write down any and all questions that you have and assure them that you are in pain, not a drug seeker and that you need a doc that can manage your pain better than the GP is doing. Tell them how it is effecting your life. Good luck to you and please keep us posted.
    hey i was so afraid of the methadone my dad use to be a heroin addict but that was 30 yrs ago, so i know methadone as for that reason so i was scared of it. and the way people look at you knowing your on it, or the pharmacist. but come to think of it while i was on all these stronger meds 4 or 5 yrs ago i was feeling great but so afraid to be like my father, my dad has alot of pain but he has to be watched with all meds, he went to my dr to get pain meds after he found out he helped people with pain this against his wifes wishes he swore he wopuldnt abuse so here we are father and daughter on methadone at the same time for back pain. well his wife was doing him and he found them and grabbed a handful and thru them down his throat before he got caught by his wife (anti drug woman) Lol.. well my dad was very heavy at the time well i got a call he was being revived on his bedroom floor dead by paramedics they had to take him out a window cause he was to big and heavy to take him out down the stairs. luckily he is alive well his wife called my doctor and even threaten to sue him because she told him this is not gonna work he is an addict he abuses everything. well he went to rehab he lived thru one of many overdoses.i just filled a bottle of vicodan while i was 5 months pregnant 100 pills it was ok'd by my obgyn and my doctor well i was at his house in seconds he got in my purse stole like 80 pills and put antiflammitorys the natural arthritis kind that looked just like vicodone. i was in the emergency room with severe headaches and contractions and neck pain were i couldnt move i had so much blood and test ran on me and they couldnt figure out what was wrong with me. well guess what it was withdraw i had no idea until a week later he switched my pills. i could of lost my baby you cant take antiflammitorys while pregnant and mind you i was a high risk pregnancy already cause i was 38 yrs old. my son is 2 now born premature 6 weeks early. from the pills we will never know. but last year my dad was kicked to the street and i still took him in after that. back to my dr. he was in pain overweight and could barely walk so i became his nurse. fentalyn patches oxycotin percocet vicodone sleeping pills valium you name it the same doctor gave my dad all these pills for me to give him and control for him even after he knows he was abusing and overdosed from his pills a few years before this happened.i told the doctor the few times he found the pills and took more than suppose to and he told me to lock them up. mind you what am i i have my own back injuries a 1 yr old and nursing an addict demanding his dose early constantly so i kicked him out he went to rehab now hes back with his wife... well my new disc rupture in my neck and the shoulder problems that started 4 months ago and this doctor has the nerve to say im asking for to much after all the pills he dished out in the past??/ i never ever abused i always to this day take less than prescribed. i dont know what is going on. he said im becoming to difficult i need to see a pain management dr. what is wrong with him>?? do you think he finally got caught up with the dea for having to many patients on opoids without good reason. the week before he wanted to give me oxycotin and i said no i would prefer percocet cause oxys are to strong and i have a 2 yr old. he went on vacation i went back for a refill of percs he said no stick with vicodan he didnt care if they didnt work. he did tell me someone stole his prescription pad. so maybe he is being investigated? it doesnt make sense he was the type of dr that would say what are you taking and write the script for whatever i said.
    any ideas???
  • •Renal Impairment
    The use of methadone has not been extensively evaluated in patients with renal insufficiency.

    •Hepatic Impairment
    The use of Methadone has not been extensively evaluated in patients with hepatic insufficiency. Methadone is metabolized in the liver and patients with liver impairment may be at risk of accumulating Methadone after multiple dosing.


    •Methadone is contraindicated in any situation where opioids are contraindicated such as: patients with respiratory depression (in the absence of resuscitative equipment or in unmonitored settings), and in patients with acute bronchial asthma or hypercarbia.

    •Methadone is contraindicated in any patient who has or is suspected of having a paralytic ileus.

    • Patients should be cautioned that Methadone[like all opioids]may impair the mental and/or physical abilities required for the performance of potentially hazardous tasks such as driving or operating machinery.

    **Dawn~Everyone that goes to my PM signs a contract.The purpose is to protect both the Dr and the patient.
    -The patients right to be treated.
    -The Drs right to prescribe & treat pain without fear of being investigated by the DEA..or if they ARE investigated they are protected.






  • :) hi and welcome to the forum! we are here to offer you support and answer what questions we can. you have been given alot of good advice by Robin. take notice of what she is saying to you! good luck as you move forward!! Jenny :)
  • I had a fusion myself and I was wondering is it your NS treating you? As far as medication is concerned, I feel that way sometimes- I go to PM too and am treated well.
    How long ago did you have surgery?

    Dawn, I hope you get to feeling better. Keep up the fight, you are your own best advocate. Hopefully things will fall in place for you and your baby. You took the first step by letting your dad go, so he had to get treatment for his problems. You have to take care of yourself, and your baby is #1 priority. You have to be taken care of, so that you're able to care for someone else. Do you have anyone to support you, and babysit for you when you're ill with pain? I'm sorry that you're in such a difficult situation, and wish I had an easy fix for them. Surround yourself with people that have your best interest in mind. I hope you have family that you can depend on. I don't have an answer about your current doctor changing his mind over his vacation. Maybe you can talk to him at your next appt. >:D<
  • I can't remember where I post sometimes so I didn't see your question till now. I had the fusion, which turned out to be L4/L5/S1, according to the doc who did my injection on Monday. I kept saying L5/S1 only. Anywho, I had the surgery in April 2005 and I only saw the NS for about 6 months. They don't take my insurance, so I will have to find a new one if I need to see one. I will try to remember this thread!
    Allison
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