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Deep pain like bones rubbing together in lower back

AnonymousUserAAnonymousUser Posts: 49,671
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:36 AM in Lower Back Pain
I am new here and I am looking for advice just like everyone else. I don't have my MRI's to give my full description of my injury, But will have them in a week or so. I do know my last disc is gone. When shown a MRI from last year from a Neurologist he stated in the MRI that ur dosc are suppose to be white. Well there might have been 1 tiny little spec of white on the MRI or it might have been sum dust!:P Anyways I get this unbearable pain Deep in my lower back like my bones are rubbing to gether. I am use to putting my hands on my hips and kinda like pullin my spine away from my hips.. Weird yes but to me sometimes it feels refreshing. Could be just a mental thing and prolly not doing any good but mentally it helps. I also just went in to have a EGI or something like that where they scratch your nerves to see if you have a pinched nerve. I was told my left side of has a pinched nerve. Guess thats why I have pain all the way down that leg. I am a Veteran and I have to deal with the Va Hospital. I have been givine Tizanidine HCL 4mg 1 every 12 hrs. and Gabapentin 300mg three a day. Sense I had to switch doctors there I was not issued Vicodin 7.5/500 at this time. Maybe my next visit I will. Sad that I was given them for the past year but at a first visit with a doctor they wont cont. given you them. And Yes I asked to be put back on them... They do help me with controlling the pain. If they could somehow give me a different drug to subside the pain than I wold gladly try it. But for now I'd rather stick to something I know that works better than the others. I am very active cause of my daughter and I choose not to have surgery at this time. There is NO guarantee I will be fixed and I don't want to loose any playtime with my daughter if the surgery doesn't work or if it gives me limitations like bendin down to pick her up or holding her. Right Now its sucks I cant sleep but about 2-3 hrs a night. I can only hold my daughter for bout 5 mins and thats pushing it. But I do hold her longer at times and just deal with the pain. Of course when I have my meds I don't think of the pain as much. Even when I drive my car after 5 mins I have to slouch or lean in a different direction. It's very painful. But I have to maintain the right state of mind and just wait for a better soloution.

So can anyone relate with my pain or what I am going through emotionally while waiting for my doctors to stop bouncing me off the meds that help?? What can I do or tell my doctor to make her understand that my pain requires some type of Narcotic due to the pain I am having?? Thanks alot for your opinions and suggestions


  • i understand as i have read your post .you have an evil bad back and all i can say to you is you need stronger pain killers as this kind of pain is impossible to live with without good pain killers
    take care my friend
  • K maybe I gave a lil run down on my situation...
    Does anyone have that deep pain like I described??? What is it?? Is it my lower disc rubbing together sense theres nothing in between?? I have brought htis up to my doctors but not sure if they are gonna give me a solution or answer for it... I mean I have to give this new doctor a chance but what approach should I go in with?? Andy advice will help. I don't know much about medical.. So I might not put what info is crucial. But ask what might be helpful I'll try my best
  • truly have no disc at all left in that space then yes you will have bone rubbing on bone. I agree with Straker that you do at a minimum need some strong pain medication.
  • BrokeJoke said:
    K maybe I gave a lil run down on my situation...
    Does anyone have that deep pain like I described??? What is it?? Is it my lower disc rubbing together sense theres nothing in between?? I have brought htis up to my doctors but not sure if they are gonna give me a solution or answer for it... I mean I have to give this new doctor a chance but what approach should I go in with?? Andy advice will help. I don't know much about medical.. So I might not put what info is crucial. But ask what might be helpful I'll try my best
    What might be helpful when speaking to your doctor is very simple. Be honest.

  • Brokejoke, I know how much pain you're in, as I have this same problem (among others) - there is virtually nothing between my L4/L5 vertebrae, and the bones are deformed from grinding together for so long. Obviously, it hurts like hell, especially when you throw in stenosis (severe) and facet joint arthritis (also severe), and herniated discs with nerve compression! I'm in pain management, as these are long-term problems, but I'm also in the process of seeing various specialists to get their opinions about whether there's anything I can do except just take painkillers. One neurosurgeon recommended a laminectomy to relieve the stenosis, while another said I would probably benefit more from a fusion or combination of fusion and some other operation, as my spine has degenerated pretty badly at the bottom. I don't know what I'll end up doing, but I'm still hoping there's something I can do so that I don't spend the rest of my life just hobbling about for short periods every day and taking pain meds. It's no way to live. I hope you get some good advice and hopefully answers to your own spine problems from your docs - good luck.
  • Truthfully- we are not Doctors and because of that and the fact that we cannot see each other makes for just tossing darts at a big dart board. Now I will not say that some Dr's probably don't use this as a way to Diagnose stuff, I don't think it serves us any use. [Joke above!]

    My back aches deep. My experience is that it is my facet joints and arthritis in my spine. It is mostly constant, kind of like a background noise, always there, just enough to be anoying.

    I suggest that you talk to your Doctor and be honest in way you are feeling. They can assess your pain levels and make some decisions on how to handle the pain levels.

    I know that for me, moderate exercise is part of what helps the pain levels. If I keep resting it, it gets too stiff and too much exercise and it gets upset too. For me - I do some walking and leave it at that!
    Cheers David
  • David, I agree with you about the exercise. I think it's essential, and does help with the pain, if I'm careful. My back hurts worst in the mornings, but I can usually get some kind of exercise during the day when it has 'loosened up' a little. I can't do too much because these days I find that the pain increases quickly with any kind of sustained movement (especially involving lifting, carrying things, and bending). But I can usually walk for a while (sometimes even standing up straight like a normal person), up to half an hour or so, before it gets too bad. Sometimes I can do more, sometimes less, but I can usually do at least something, and it really helps break the monotony of just being at home in pain all the time (it also helps stave off the depression).

    I have often described my pain just like you just did, as a background noise. In the morning when my pain is worst, it's like having the TV on with really loud static, but after taking my medicine and alternating between resting and moving about carefully, I find I can get it down to an acceptable level. As you said, it's always there, but if you're lucky you can keep it at the merely 'annoying' level rather than the deafening 'agonising' level.
  • Well I have been upfront with this doctor... But from the exp. I have had from my previous doctors here, makes me very uneasy.. Believe me!! I am very VERY BLUNT with my concerns and problems!! But Thanks and good luck!
  • It just sucks:( I mean When I meet a knew doctor here at the Va Hospital.. It's like I have to start at the bottom of the ladder.. .Like in 2006 I got out of the Military and Moved to Cali. Went to the Loma Linda Va Hospital there and started of on tramadol than as the next visits came into play He upped my meds to vicodins 5/500... Which was reasonable, cause it was my first visits after I got out... Than I moved to Texas 4 months later...And the same thing... But no complaints than, because I didn't know how they worked. Than in 2007 I came back to New Orleans.. AGAIN I was at the btm of the ladder. Now you would think there systems where linked together!! Or I even got a copy of my medical record and brought it!! But in the 2 years and 4 doctors because two of them either retired or went to another position. Alls I want is be able to goto sleep or my biggest thing is I have noticed I am very irritable and moody. I am very sure everyone can relate to that. At times I get frustrated cause my daughter wants me to hold her all the time like in the store and I just can't do it. It's sad but I am doing my best and trying to be calm
  • I had collapsed discs at L4/5-S/1 that caused severe pain, numbness and difficulty walking. The vertabrae were so close together that the nerves had very little room. I'm not a doctor. But I would think a "missing" disc could possibly cause the bone rubbing sensation. You're missing a shock absorber! It sounds like you are even doing a bit of self- traction. I know you're against surgery but sometimes avoiding it can cause permanent nerve damage. Since your self-traction helps a bit, maybe you could try some physical therapy with traction? I hope you find some relief soon.
    Faith M
  • I completely agree with the moderate exercises Because I have notice to bout stiffness and like I said before it was 1st visit with this doctor and it was more of a outline of why I am there... Even though I have a medical record and they have complete access to it.. But of course things can change. And you are very true about each of us giving our own diagnosis of our thoughts!
  • I'm not totally against surgery....Just don't know if I'm ready for it at this time in my life... I mean I'm scared of what can happen.. Theres NO Guarantee that they can put me back to the way I was. And to have certain limitations afterward's would just devastate me:( I would be pissed of at the world you know!! And yes I can say I am very blessed that it happened in the Gov hands( Or NOT!! ) But I put my packet in for disability for them back in 2007. And we all know how long this could take. I mean Yeah I'm not a priority...Or at least I think like that. Only because there are other services members that SOOOOOO deserve their files to be put on High Priority ( The ones that actually shed their blood). I am far from even thinking of trying to put me in that same category. But in the meantime I should be given attention. And I know its gonna take time. But It's so frustrating tto have my daughter say "up up" And I look at her and Say " sorry hun Daddies back hurts ALOT " Its like I'm taking that away from my daughter and she can't understand now... But this is my time with my daughter and I just want to experience a everything with this gift from GOD. But I look at it like this IT COULD BE WORSE. I see alot of your Sig's and it just looks like a mess ( No Offense ).
  • One thing to keep in mind, is that a lot of members here had no place to go but up. Many here were facing paralysis and or had cauda equin. Although we live in daily pain, surgery became the only option. I live in daily pain but at least I am walking on my legs. Now one thing to keep in mind at the level you are injured there is no cord. I always tell people to try all conservative treatments before going to surgery unless the conditions is such that it one may risk some permanent damage. Only your doctors are going to be able to decide what could happen by putting off surgery.

    I think you need to call the doctor back who is treating you and tell them that the pain is not manageable with the level of meds you have. Don't ask for particular meds, that is a sign of someone seeking drugs, but rather you can't handle the pain at this level. Remember not saying anything is saying it is ok. If you wait till the next appointment may think well you made it this far so can't be to bad. I forgot to mention in my earlier post about the valium you spoke of. Many doctors prescribe valium for muscle spasms. After my second surgery, the spasms were unbearable, I didn't need more pain meds as it was pure spasms. A call to the doc got me some valium as the spasms became more manageable i went back to a lighter dose of muscle relaxers.
  • OMG bro I am suffering from the exact symptoms you described I am also a vet unfortunately I have been out since 06. when you talk about pulling your sponsor pulling on your hips lmao you nailed it.I've been suffering with this for about 6 months I have yet to see a doctor I'm not on any pain management so you want to talk about one moody pissed off dude. if I'm sitting in a certain position I can just make a slight movement and it pops however I can move a slight different way and it pops a little different if that makes sense. ... my girl thinks I have lost my mind and im about to I cant sit still no matter what. It hurts most of the time to pop it but I cant stand the feeling of well the only way I can explain it its like when your knuckle needs to pop but it hangs up... hope I don't sound like a total fool. And if I do I don't care IM F#@$ IN MISERABLE......... How copy?
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