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How do you make the decision for surgery?????

jellyhalljjellyhall Posts: 4,373
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:40 AM in Back Surgery and Neck Surgery

How does anyone get over the fear of surgery, and decide to go ahead with it?

I have been trying my best to avoid it, and today had another appointment to discuss what to do.

I've been told that any surgeon seeing my MRI scan would say that I need surgery to decompress and stabilise with a fusion on L4/L5 and possible another level or two. However, they treat the patient by their symptoms, not by the MRI results.
I feel that I am managing fairly well (which probably makes the decision harder), but my back problems are really affecting my life; probably that of my husband and family too!

Logically, I know that I should probably try to sort things out and give surgery a try, but I am just so SCARED! So many worries.

Will the surgery make my life better?
(I've been told that it will help my leg pain but not my back pain.)
Will I be able to resume things like picking up my grand daughter and enjoying shopping with my daughter again?

Have others with spondylolisthesis, who had fusion surgery a year or more ago, managed to get their old life back again, or are they needing further surgery or still in debilitating pain?

Hoping my spiney friends out there will be able to help me make a very scary and difficult decision.


  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 9,856
    I dont think there is a person in the world who isnt afraid of having some type of surgery.
    And most everyone would do almost anything possible to avoid it.

    Making that decision is something that takes a lot of input and thought.

    1 - You need to fully understand the Pros and Cons in having surgery or not? What are the drawbacks IF you decide NOT to have surgery? What is the future looking like IF you do HAVE the surgery. Only your doctor can provide you with answers to these.

    2 - Discuss all the options with your family. Sometimes, the person having the surgery has it the easiest. There is an enormous amount of emotional strain that is placed on our loved ones. They are the ones who will be looking after us, taking care of us, worrying about us. The patient's role is to make sure to adhere 100% to all restrictions and limitations that are laid out for you by your doctor.

    3 - Quality of life. Sometimes, it boils down to just how much you are willing to stand. For some people, having a good amount of pain every day, always having trouble getting up, living on medications is acceptable. For others, they may not want that type of life. Only you can decide what is best for you.

    Finally, whatever the decision is, TO HAVE or NOT TO HAVE, maintaining a super positive outlook on everything is so very important. Medical science can only do so much, our minds are capable of endless boundaries, so utilize what was given to us.

    Good luck.
    Ron DiLauro Spine-Health System Administrator
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences
    You can email me at: rdilauro@veritashealth.com
  • I've been talking a lot with my husband and three grown up children. I think they are keen for me to have surgery, to try to get their wife/mum back.

    Your post has got me thinking about the advantages and disadvantages to having surgery. I'm writing a list to help me focus on what I will gain, compared to the (hopefully) relatively short term disadvantages.

    I do try to keep a positive mental attitude and look at the positives in my life.
  • I decided to have my first spinal surgery because of all the lower back pain and sciatica I was suffering with. I took the chance because anything I did caused me more pain and I got sick and tired of living that way. I was in my 30's, married with 2 kids and felt that I owed it to myself and my family to fix my situation and get my life back.

    My surgeon told me the same thing- the surgery was for my leg pain, not my back pain and that I might always have back pain. Besides, I already been through several surgeries (non spinal) and if I survived a hysterectomy, then I can get through this one.

    Well, my surgery didn't work out because first of all I reherniated the same disc one month later. I also developed retrolisthesis (inward slippage) and the nerve was impinged all over again.

    Months later I consulted another surgeon and he said I needed a TLIF and laminectomy on L4-S1. I knew this time it was more serious so I went ahead and researched all I could and felt comfortable with my doctor's recommendation. Also, I was sick and tired of the nonstop severe pain and felt I had to do something about it. I didn't want to live incapacitated forever.

    I wish I could say today that I'm pain free. I just have too many problems with my back and my surgeon did what he could. That's the risk when you hurt your back, it will never be the way it was before and if you have surgery, there is no full guarantee that the pain will be gone.

    Even so, I learned that there are other treatments available and you should never give up looking for relief. It's never easy to decide to have surgery. You have to make sure that you feel right about this decision, be aware of all the risks involved, and have realistic expectations on recovery and outcome. Most importantly, try to remain positive and always hope for the best. Take care
  • For me the decision was made on the basis that I couldn't live like this anymore. On bad days I can hardly get out of bed, on good days I can just about manage the school run and very light housework. I have two young children and my current levels of pain are preventing them from fun activities like going to the park which is not fair on them.

    I had hoped that the microdiscectomy I had on L4/L5 earlier this year would be the end of it, but when the next disc down herniated I knew that I had had enough. So when my surgeon said he'd recommend fusion I just knew it was time.

    Am I scared? You bet I am, but this is right for me, right now. If the doubts about the surgery outweigh the positive thoughts, maybe now is not the right time for you. Good luck with your decision
  • I based my decision on, not the moderate pain I was having, but what the future held for me. Worsening pain, worsening curvature, eventually a wheelchair and loss of a lot of my independence.

    I also considered the fact that right now I am healthy and fit, but that may not be the case in the future if I want the surgery then, therefore my recovery now will be far easier than in the future.

    Does any of this apply to you?
  • Meydey, Scottiegal and Jen.

    I have been told that my problem won't go away and it won't improve, but it may get worse.

    I am 54 and apart from my back, fit and healthy. I have been working hard to help myself, and have managed to lose some weight and am fitter than before, due to walking for about 40 minutes every day and my muscles are stronger because of the exercises I do each day. However, apart from the brisk walking I do daily, when it comes to slow walking, particularly shopping and ambling along, I am in pain after about 5 minutes, which builds until I can't bear to stand any longer. This means that there are lots of situations that I avoid and socialising is limited to occasions where I know there will be somewhere comfortable for me to sit down.
    On a bad back day, most things hurt and even turning my head to look to the side is painful.

    Mornings are when it is worst, and I have to have my breakfast in two sittings, lying down on the floor for a few minutes halfway through to get comfortable again.
  • For me, the decision was made for me. I had a microdiscectomy (less invasive) to remove the herniated disc pressing on L5-S1. The decision was still one I took seriously. I had lost significant strength in my left leg overnight and a lot of feeling. It happened so fast and the damage was so severe that after consulting 3 doctors, I realized that I was risking the situation escalating to impacting bladder/bowel nerves. I had the "out patient surgery".

    It didn't work. This is where I found myself in a similar situation to you. I was told different things by different doctors. I visited 7 I think in total plus a remote opinion from a well known spine clinic. Some said fusion and others said revision.

    Initially my husband was pushing fusion and it sort of made sense b/c it would 'fix' my problem. But it's a BIG surgery and permanent. That being the case, I kept digging and realized that the doctors were split on their recommendation 50% said revision and 50% said fusion.

    I did a lot of research and finally decided that I will be trying the revision b/c even if it ony buys me 5 years, technology might advance and I might have other options to a fusion.

    Someone gave me some great advice. They told me that while I might be 'dealing' with the pain, watch my world. Make sure it wasn't shrinking.

    So far it is ok..I still go out to dinner, I still will travel to see friends but am limited on the distance. It definitely impacts frequency of intimacy with hubby b/c I hurt most nights and am 'afraid' of moving wrong and doing more damage so I also am very cautious.

    I have to do something b/c my case will get worse. The nerve needs to be 'freed'. If the revision doesn't work, I will at least know I tried everything before going for fusion.

    And, it's helped me and my family understand what life will be like if I do have to go for a fusion. It's a longer recovery for sure.

    I can send you one recommendation in PM that might be useful.

    Good luck
  • Chances are, it is the stenosis and the spondylolisthesis that is causing your sciatic-type pain, causing you to have pain when walking slowly, standing too long, etc. These are fairly typical symptoms caused from stenosis. I had similar and I waited about three years before my symptoms became so bad that I could only stand for about a minute and I was driving down the driveway to get my mail, rather than walking. My world was becoming smaller and smaller...and I finally decided I had to do something or spend the rest of my life sitting at home.

    The important thing for your family and for you to realize is that back surgery will not restore you to the way you were prior to onset of pain or injury. Oh, it happens occasionally but it is not the norm.

    Spine surgery is very different from going into the hospital for a procedure such as an appendectomy where you have the surgery, you recover from the surgery, and you move on with your life. After the surgical site heals, the patient is pretty much back to normal.

    In your case, with surgery for spondylolisthesis, you will wake up with your spine in a "new" position, and with all the soft tissue needing to learn the new structure. There will not only be a period of healing, but a period of adjustment as well, as ligaments and tendons stretch or shrink, tighten or loosen depending on what is now required.

    And of course, there are no guarantees that the surgery will relieve the pain. The statistics are higher for success with fusion for spondylolisthesis, but it still only relieves some of the symptoms and pain. You will not be restored to the condition you were in when you were in your twenties.

    But with stenosis and especially, spondylolisthesis, there really aren't any other surgical options but fusion...particularly if you spine is unstable. You will probably end up having surgery sooner or later....There are some very good reasons for having it sooner.

    Good luck with your decision.

  • I am new here but not new to spinal surgeries, and I can tell you that my decision was made when I couldn't walk. I was living, if you can say that, in my bed 24/7, the pain that I had in my legs was horrendous and my quality of life was 0!

    Surgery is not to be taken lightly... Ron gave you a pretty good list of pros and cons, and like I always say; this is a very, very personal decision, so is up to you to decide what you can and can't live with.

    Even though my spinal fusion failed, I know that my surgery was the right decision for me at that time. I didn't know that the surgery was not going to be a success. Am I sorry that I had my surgery? NO! It was my decision based on my experiences and based on 3 different medical opinions. So do what you think is best for you and your family, and good luck to you!

  • SpineAZSpineAZ WiscPosts: 1,084
    I had surgery 18 years ago for spondylolisthesis. It went well and I got back to normal quickly, but I was in my early 20's then. I have lax ligaments and tendons so now L3 has moved forward so I'm having that fused in February.

    I'm a veteran of all kinds of surgery, most of them orthopedic (neck, back, feet, knees). Each time I chose surgery it was because I wanted a better quality of life.

    Even now...could I live on my medications long term? Sure, but I'd rather go through a few weeks of pain to get back to a better functioning level. For me the tough stuff is all worth it in the end even if I improve just enough to reduce medications and increase activities.

    Does this help? Please let me know if there's any other questions you have.

    2 ACDFs, 2 PCDF, 3 LIFs; Rt TKR; Rt thumb fusion ; Lt thumb arthroplasty; Ehlers Danlos 

  • DNice
    I don't blame you for trying the revision first, I think I would probably do the same. But, my only surgical option is a fusion of L4/L5 and apparently they would probably put a Wallis ligament in at L3/L4 because that level is degenerated too.

    I like the advice you got while dealing with pain, to watch that your world wasn't shrinking.
    Well my world is certainly shrinking. My husband and I loved to travel the world, and were planning a trip to tour South America. We gave up the idea because of my back, and last summer didn't leave the UK for our holiday. Even staying in a thatched cottage near Stratford on Avon (Shakespeare country) I really struggled with my back and we had to give up our planned activites on a couple of days. Also agree about closeness with hubby!
  • Saw a doctor yesterday and she reminded me that my cord and nerve roots are being compressed, which is why I get sciatica in both legs. She tested, and there isn't any sign of nerve damage at the moment. She thinks I will have to have surgery at some point.

    I don't think that they would reposition the slip, just remove bone and disc to take the pressure off the nerves (decompression), and then fuse it to stabilise the spine. She said that the surgery should deal with the leg pain (and butt pain) but not the back pain. She told me I will always have back pain to some degree.

    I would love to get my life back, but wish I didn't have to face surgery. I think the more I read and learn about it from others experiences, I am getting more hopeful that I could cope with it. Wow! Even typing that makes me feel nervous!

    Thanks for your input, which is always helpful.

  • I'm definately not as badly off as you were. I am still managing to go to work each day, although have to lie on the floor for a while some times.

    I am always aware that there are lots of people who are far worse off than me.
    I really hope that they manage to reduce your pain levels and restore a better life to you soon.

    Take care
  • The only surgery that I have had is my tonsils out when I was 3. In those days, parents were only allowed at visiting times and I remember being terribly upset when it was time for my dad to leave. In fact I think my mother stopped coming to see me because she didn't want to upset me.
    This memory only came back to me, when I started thinking about spine surgery!

    I had lax ligaments when I was pregnant and had a lot of back trouble. The doctor is surprised that my back condition wasn't discovered then. I've had 3 children, who are all grown up now. The youngest is 21.

    I am interested in how the recovery after fusion will be. I expect it was worse 18 years ago.

    Thanks for your comments. If I think of anything else, I'll ask away! I'll keep an eye on how you get on with your next fusion. I do hope that it goes well and sorts out your problems.

    Take care
  • Is different for everyone. My full recovery took over a year, but then again I had complications. When I got home from the hospital I made sure that I had all of the medical equipment that I could get! I had a hospital bed in my living room since it is easier to go up and down with an electrical bed, opposed to a conventional one.
    For weeks after surgery you won't be able to bend, twist or lift anything about 5 Lbs. so you need to get help to do a lof of the around the house stuff.

    I also had a raised toilet seat, so that way I didn't have to go too low and hurt myself. I had a chair in the bath tub to be able to shower, etc. All of that medical equipment and preparations made my recovery much easier.

    The time of recovery will really depends, so just make sure to bring a lists of questions for your surgeon pre-op, so that way your mind will be completely at ease, and make sure to ask your Doctor to give you scripts for all of the medical equipment that you are going to need at home while you recover.

    Good luck to you,


  • Why is it people use a chair in the bath to be able to shower? Can't you stand to shower?

    Also, did you find you could climb in and out of the bath ok, to have a shower? Someone told me that it was hard to climb out because of the difference in levels between the bath and the floor.

    Hope you are feeling good today.
  • The reason that I had the shower chair is because I would get soooooo tired when I was standing, that sitting was absolutely necessary for me. I think that most people get one for that reason.
    And yes, getting in and out of the shower is a pain! I live alone, but during my post-op my Mom and then a friend stayed with me, anytime that I showered, I made sure that they helped me out of the tub. One time I try doing it on my own, and guess what? YUP, I went down! NOT good!

    So make sure that you have someone at home with you whenever you need to go in and out of the shower, OK? Take care,

  • The reason that I had the shower chair is because I would get soooooo tired when I was standing, that sitting was absolutely necessary for me. I think that most people get one for that reason.
    And yes, getting in and out of the shower is a pain! I live alone, but during my post-op my Mom and then a friend stayed with me, anytime that I showered, I made sure that they helped me out of the tub. One time I try doing it on my own, and guess what? YUP, I went down! NOT good!

    So make sure that you have someone at home with you whenever you need to go in and out of the shower, OK? Take care,


  • Thanks for explaining about the shower chair. Before any back surgery, we have no idea why you need some of the 'must-haves'.

    Take care.
  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 9,856
    Take a look at our FAQ. You can access it from the forum menu tabs.
    Scroll through the list and there are sections that go into a list of Must Haves, Pre and Post Op
    Ron DiLauro Spine-Health System Administrator
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences
    You can email me at: rdilauro@veritashealth.com
  • It has only been 3 months since my surgery but it was the best thing I've done. My spondy was unstable and slipping more. It was shearing the disc and compressing nerves. My back pain is a lot better but not gone, however my leg and butt pain is gone. It was to the point that sitting was impossible and standing was difficult. I started at a grade 1 spondy of L4/L5 10 years ago and when I had surgery it was a grade 2 or 3 depending on what you looked at. X-rays had it at a 3 Mri had it at a 2. Surgery is a huge decision but for my condition it was the only recommeded course of action. We did try PT, but even my therapist admitted it was like fighting a losing battle. Every move they had me do moved the bones in my spine and again sheared the disc causing more pain. We spent weeks on just heat and stretching and never progressed to actual exercises that help back pain.
  • Jelly - what is it aobut slow walking/shopping??? It kills me too.

    I believe Gwennie mentioned that the hard cement floors with no padding is what gets to us while shopping.

    I think it might also have something to do with carrying bags (like in a mall after a few stores) and also the swaying back and forth - you know as you go through the racks.
  • I agree with my fellow spineys that the thing you have to think about is the quality of life you have and the quality of life you want.I could only walk a few steps without being in pain and having to sit down.That is no way to live!Last May we were in Santa Fe New Mexico-one of my all time favorite places! and I kept having to sit down.Just like your holiday,you had to make adjustments-and I have 6 grandchildren that are the joy of my life.I havent held the baby for months (unless someone is sitting with me),or riddent bikes with the older ones.I withdrew from grad school,which I was really enjoying(I am a History buff)--so since August I have been mostly at home,or short trips to shop---no way!!!! My whole point is,please think about your happiness now---of course I am not medically offering an opinion,but don't let fear rule your life---I am 59 and have had 2 spinal fusions in 2 years
  • I would say that my PLIF took away 90% of my low back pain- some days it is 100%. Most the time I don't even think about my low back any more. Hopefully it will stay that way for another few years.

    Gwennie was right when she said all the soft tissue has to adjust- the recovery was truely brutal. My world was also getting very small to the point that I had no future. That scared me alot more than the surgery. I couldn't imagine a life just wasting away. I am an active person with a good job and wonderful friends and a competitive hobby. I didn't want to loose that stuff.

    I would do it again in a heart beat.


  • I am learning so much, and all your answers and experiences are so helpful to guide my thinking. I think it is best to make the decision for surgery being as informed as possible - the good and the bad.

    I feel like I am very slowly inching my way towards surgery. A few months ago, I would be in tears just talking about the posibility. Since then, I can read about what they would do, and talk about it without feeling so upset. It does get my heart pounding sometimes, but I can face it as a posibility now.

    Some days, I think if I am going to end up having it, it would be better to just have it sooner, and get my life back. Then on other days, I think I should carry on trying to avoid it as long as possible.

    Gwennie - if you read this, do you regret waiting so long while you were trying to avoid surgery?
    Do you think that waiting time could have made things worse for you?
    (If anyone else delayed surgery, I would be interested in your answers too.)

    I really appreciate the way you all are responding to my questions. It helps to talk to people who have experienced this decision.

    Hope you all have a comfortable day.
  • I could barely get around with a cane, my pain was off the charts, I had no life. My fear of living this way forever became larger than my fear of surgery! It was an easy decision for me. And it turned out to be the right one. I can walk w/out a cane now. I know I'd be in a wheelchair right now if I hadn't had the surgery. As for shower issues, have your walker parked right outside the shower for easy access. I used the walker for the 1st 2 1/2 weeks then no longer needed it. Have patience, it is a painful and difficult recovery! Good luck to you in whatever decision you make.

    Faith M
  • Jellyhall I just had to make that decision for myself again. I already went thru a Laminectomy 2 years ago and that wasn't too fun. When the doctor said fusion, I was not happy. I told him let me think about it, Its been over a month and I decided to go ahead and have it done. I set my appointment up today in a month. Mines a L5-S1 with DDD, their going to do the Dyneses method fusion with cage I think what he said. I will post later.

    I hate surgery to begin with, who likes it? But I can't stand this back and leg pain and have been dealing with it for 8 years total. You name it I've tried it, epidurals galor, etc..... It's not getting any better. Also I'm 40, I'm not getting any younger. And I hate even worse having to take voltaren 24/7 and Lortab for the pain, taking pills gets old quick.

    The thing that decided it for me, I have a friend that had one done by the same doctor a couple years ago and he had 3 levels mines just 1 and I asked him how he was doing and he said it has changed it life around. He said he still gets pain, but not nearly as bad as before. He considers it a success.

    I'm just tired of the pain and watching my life go by and not be able to do a lot of things because of my back is hurting. I know you can't do EVERYTHING like a normal back, but doing alot of stuff without your back constantly reminding you of, yep I haven't gone away and yes it still hurts. I'm just over it and want my quality of life to improve. :)
  • SpineAZSpineAZ WiscPosts: 1,084
    The shower chair is one of the best investments I ever made. We place it in the tub (as our shower is harder to get into due to unique design) and I can sit while showering if I need to. The first few times you a bit woozy and may feel a bit more stable on a shower chair. I also got a toilet seat riser relatively inexpensively. I remember after my last back surgery that when I got home the toilet was so much lower than that in the hospital. Hospital toilet height is higher than normal household toilet seats!
    2 ACDFs, 2 PCDF, 3 LIFs; Rt TKR; Rt thumb fusion ; Lt thumb arthroplasty; Ehlers Danlos 
  • I just saw your post. I don't quite know how I feel. Sometimes I regret waiting when I think having at least one nerve, probably several, compressed for such a long time probably did make the situation worse. But then, every time I met with a new surgeon, I always asked if waiting was causing nerve damage, and every single spinal specialist told me no. They would elaborate on the answer, but no one told me I was harming myself by waiting. They told me there were three reasons for surgery for my lumbar problems: one was foot drop; the second was any bladder or bowel involvement and third was when I could not tolerate the pain or felt it was affecting my life to the point that I couldn't stand it...otherwise, surgery was considered "elective."

    The thing with nerves is that the most talented and well-educated neurologist or neurosurgeon cannot tell when a nerve is permanently damaged, is about to become damaged, whether it will recover or how long it will take. They are getting closer, but they aren't there yet!!

    There are a couple people on the board who had a compressed nerve from a sudden disc herniation, had surgery before two months, and still ended up with nerve damage. Others wait a year or more, and are OK after surgery...so, there are no definitive answers.

    As for me, I'm having surgery in the near future, and I'll let you know if it resolves my nerve pain!!

    OK, I just went back and read your first post because I couldn't remember what your issues are. With all you have going on, in addition to the spondylolisthesis, I think I might go ahead with surgery. I would be sure to get a number of opinions --wait! You're in the UK, right? Is it possible to get a number of opinions before making a decision? I'm not sure how I'd react if I could only get one or two opinions....

    Do your thoracic problems cause you pain? Would you be having surgery for the lumbar problems and ignoring the other? How much do the lumbar problems affect your ability to go about your daily activities? How does it change what you want to do?

    I'll await your answers before I write any more!


    I just went back and reread my first post...and I still agree with what I wrote:

    But with stenosis and especially, spondylolisthesis, there really aren't any other surgical options but fusion...particularly if you spine is unstable. You will probably end up having surgery sooner or later....There are some very good reasons for having it sooner.

  • I have also been told that waiting for surgery isn't causing permanent nerve damage. On Wednesday, the hospital doctor checked my legs and feet for reflexes, muscle strength and feeling, and said that there weren't any signs of nerve damage, although they are being compressed. I am always warned about the symptoms of CES and the surgeon I saw a few months ago, did say that foot drop was also a reason to have the surgery. Like you, other than that, they say that it is just when I feel I can't cope with the pain or reduction in lifestyle, and I am ready to have surgery.

    I am in the UK, and saw a surgeon privately and now have the offer of seeing an NHS surgeon. I have been told that he won't give me much time (about 10 mins) and doesn't have a good manner, but is a very experienced spinal surgeon. The lady doctor I saw the other day, is lovely and we talked for nearly an hour. She is very knowledgeable as she specialised in spines and works just under the spinal surgeon and has observed several of his surgeries.

    My surgery would be for my lumbar problems. Fusion of L4/L5 and possible use of Wallis ligament at L3/L4. She didn't think he would do anything at L5/S1, but wasn't sure.

    I have been having pain and muscle spasms in my upper back (bra strap area). I also get pain on the left side at the front when I am doing one of my exercises (mad cat).

    I also have been getting a lot of neck pain, but never had any scan of that area, so don't know what is happening there. I do get arm pain, and pins and needles/tingling in my fingers. I have also had cramp in the palm of my left hand - very strange!

    I mentioned all this to the doctor this week, but she said we need to work on one thing at a time. She did say that my referral to see a physiotherapist about having acupuncture should come through soon, and then I should ask for exercises for my neck.

    I suppose I need to go ahead with an appointment to see this surgeon, but feel if I do, then I am on the way to surgery. Which is very scary!

    I hope that your future surgery sorts out your nerve problems.

    Thank you for your comments and advice, it is like you are taking me through the things I need to consider in order to be able to make my decision. I am always interested to hear what you have to say.

    Take care
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