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C2/3 Related?



  • Sorry Brenda :)

    I hope it is a fluke. Maybe it is some swelling and it will go back to " your previous state of normal" soon.

    I think you should tell you surgeon or pcp. Are you due to see him anytime in the near future?


  • Howdy Julie,

    Thanks for your reply. No I haven't mentioned it to him yet as I am *hoping* it is just a fluke/adjusting stage/odd happening? Many times when I have weird things happen, I let it go for a week or so and it goes away. I am hoping the same happens here, but it feels different this time. I just hate bugging him if it is temporary, yeah know?

    I have PT for flexibility I am suppose to start, so I am also waiting a bit to see if it helps a bit. I just know I am not looking forward to eating as of late, if it is chewing food, = headache. :-(

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • C2/3 issues are that rare? Grrr... Okay, well I tried. Thanks... sniff...

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • http://www.backpain-guide.com/Chapter_Fig_folders/Ch06_Path_Folder/4Radiculopathy.html

    Brenda here is a dermatome map- your symtoms are par for c2/3 issues.

    About 10 years ago I had a small bulge at 2/3. I had the most extreme jaw/ear pain. It was like a headache but it was only on the right side of my head/face. It lasted for about 6 months (I cried myself to sleep every night and felt like death was a good option).

    A chirpracter had adjusted my neck once when I was being treated for my low back.....

    I was referred to a Neuroligist who said I should be fine that the bulge was small, then I was referred to another one who gave me the "steroid" dose pack. The steroids were exactly what I needed. A week later I was great.

    That is the extent of my c2/3 experience :)
  • Julie, you're good people!!!

    My NS stated on my last appointment, that he "was concerned" about what was happening at the C2/3 level. Basically in a nutshell..."Chronic moderate Osteophytes crowding the left foramen (with Stenosis), and moderate disk bulge to the right foramen (crowding) at the C2/3 nerve exit level. The image looks nasty - only about 1-2 mm from hitting the spinal cord. That area, the cord actually curves a bit into the brain, so if you can picture, the bulge is fairly large. My NS seemed concerned if the headaches got worse, or ummm...more regular - which they now sadly seem to be getting too!

    It scares me as there is *little* on the Internet as to what they do at that level. I have had many things in my career almost kill me, so I don't freak much on surgery believe it or not, but the "lack of knowing" is more of a freak than some mutt in a dark alley pointing a gun at my head! (sorry, law enforcement here). I have been more "moody" at work, as I hurt a lot, and sniff, my Lyrica isn't touching it, but on the same note, I don't really want any other "meds" as I need to function (especially with our action (support) with Haiti) now! Most times I am good, but when those d@mn headaches start,....well you know. Thanks again Julie, you actually "de-stressed" me a bit. Dankie!!!

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • Brenda- I am sorry that your hurting . I have been researching and have seen a few C2-3 fusions so I know they do it. What I read was that problems at that level is unusual but not unheard of (similar to Thoracic problems). It is a good thing you are working with a NS.

    I completely undestand about not wanting to take meds. I don't function well on them either. I think since the neck is closer to the head I am affected more by the meds than I was with my lumbar spine. I just want to feel human and be able to work with out constantly taking notes.....

    My mind used to be a steal trap now it is a sive....

    Last week my boss told me to take some pain meds and keep working :O) what the heck! I don't think people realize how taking meds only makes me fuzzy and dull. "just pop some pills" are you serious? Do you want me to drive and speak to customers when my pills start kicking in?

    I digress....

    Hang in there.


  • Howdy Julie...:-)

    How did you structure your wording for the search? I've tried via "C2/3 fusion", "Fusion C2-3", "Fusion upper cervical spine", but no real detailed info came up. My NS is really good. He listens and seems to genuinely care. All he does is spines! He also seems like a very good "trouble shooter" on my issues. He knows that ESI's don't work for me, and therefore doesn't waste his or my time with those.

    For the last few days I've tried an experiment. Basically if I eat soft foods that don't require me to open my mouth wide, I don't get a headache when I eat. If I eat a burger, steak etc. I start to get a headache in the back of my head. I am adding it to my notes for my doctor - maybe it will help him figure out what is going on? I think it might be more with how wide I open my mouth when I eat more than anything! I chew gum a lot, and it doesn't give me headaches! Maybe just a coincidence, or maybe a C2/3 thing?

    What your boss tried to get you to do doesn't surprise me in the least Julie. Like we have seen on this site, there are tons of "well meaning" people, but until or unless they experience spine issues, they don't get it. I get the "oh, I have pulled my back before, or twisted my neck and pinched a nerve; I know what you're going through!" Yeah, okay...sure! Hehehe....

    I hope you are feeling better as well! I wish there was something you could do to make the pain go away, even if only for a short time. *HUG* Chat again soon. :-)

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • I think I put in Cervical Disc Herniations C2-3.... I always try different searches. I will PM you some other stuff I found yesterday.

    Have you been checked for TMJ? Just thinking about the pain in the jaw/opening your mouth? Might be worth a little search.

    Have you checked Spine Universe? They have some case studies that are pretty cool.

    My boss is very cool, his wife had major back surgery when I was having my lumbar stuff done. He means well, but he has way to much energy for me when I am medicated. Very type A.

    I actually have a very busy work week :o again! Today was some what productive. I had to log off my work's remote server so they can update it (I needed to work another hour). Tomorrow will be tuff, loading for the Food Show. Thursday and Friday will be very difficult. Thursday I am setting up for a Food Show and Friday is the Food Show.... Last week was similar. I will be using ice packs and pain meds around the clock. I am taking my tens unit!
  • Tomorrow I will try that search criteria Julie, Thank you!! I know I don't have TMJ. Oddly due to the fact that I have been a "grinder" since I was born if you will! My NS gave me a "comment" about head or jaw movements might be due to the bilateral (spurs and disk) of the C2/3. Unfortunately it might be accelerating. Just the differences in MRI's 3 months apart "sort of" tells me this is the case. Sigh...hehehe..gotta play the cards I am dealt I guess. The funny part? If I do gamble (cards) it is like once a year, sometimes years go by...and I do GREAT in gambling! I was sent on assignment to Nassau, and I won almost 6G in 3 card poker... The casino I am sure wasn't thrilled! I win, I take my money and leave!!! I wish I had that kind of luck with my spine - unfortunately I get the rare spine issues instead - guess I should play the state Lotto huh?

    I'm glad to see your boss in his way DOES understand. Please don't push it with your many tasks this week woman! I hate when I push me, as I (and I am sure you have been there) hurt for far more time than the activity that caused it!!! I hope it goes well. Thanks again for the search engine info. :-)


    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • have you tried any migraine meds like maxault/frova/immetrex?

    I have c1/c2/c3 problems and get bad headaches multi times per week and they help a LOT. Pain stays head ache goes.
  • Chucklesp said:
    have you tried any migraine meds like maxault/frova/immetrex?

    I have c1/c2/c3 problems and get bad headaches multi times per week and they help a LOT. Pain stays head ache goes.
    Howdy Charles, and Welcome to Spine Health!!! I've tried Immetrex, but for me, nothing! Oddly if I just start feeling the ache (almost always starts at the top of the neck) and take 2 500mg Tylenol's, I can stop it. If I miss, nothing helps. Except for the 2 days where I ate soft foods, I now get them every time I eat "regular chewy" type foods. I am giving this about another week, and if it continues, it is a change and not a fluke! I was kind of warned to look for it back in October, but was doing fine until just recently. :-(

    When I have pain related to the C2/3 area, it is more on the left than right. Base of the skull, left side of the neck, and if I sit funny or move my head a lot I get pain straight down the neck and upper center of my back. I can usually lean a bit forward and it eases up. Once I bring my head up though, I get a pretty quick pain near the C2/3, and then it levels off. The weird thing? My ear lobe on the left, and the (skin) left side of my neck is numb. Feels weird - I keep playing with my ear lobe now as it just feels that weird!

    I will ask my NS about those other meds you mentioned if this continues. Thanks again. *HUG* Sorry to hear you too are going through this "upper" stuff!

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • I think I just bumped into you on another post.

    None of my imaging studies have indicated that I have any issues that far up in my spine; however, I'm familiar with the symptoms you're describing - except for the chewing part. Unilateral headaches, mastoid bone pain, outer ear pain, pain that runs the vagus nerve route, scalp numbness, lower jaw pain, unilateral eye pain, etc. It's been going on for two years. :( I'm on steroids (again) for it and it's not helping.

    When the back of my head feels like someone slammed it onto the pavement, I drink A LOT of strong coffee. That used to help but no more.

    I'm seeing a new neuro Jan 27 - and am gearing myself by preparing my own medical history (from my journals) because I'm getting concerned that my regular doc doesn't take very good notes. I'm going to ask for flexion studies.

  • Hehehe... Nodding, I think I just saw you in another post. I slept bunches today for some reason, so catching up on reading and posting. :-)

    Unfortunately for me, the MRI shows the sad picture, and the changing (umm...increasing?) of my symptoms proves the picture? I am still going to give the headaches another week to be sure it wasn't due to me doing "something" too much and causing it? I ran things in my head, and really haven't done anything over the top, but ya never know as they say. I am sadly coming to the realization that I probably didn't do anything to make this change short of breathing! LOL!! I am still going to give it a bit of time.

    Coffee..I have found that there are times if I drink coffee after a pain med for the ole head, it actually seems to work faster. Caffeine helps with that I think. Glad to see it isn't just me on thinking that! Jasro, I too keep a diary (journal) I take the notes (I make a one page "Craig notes") with me for my NS appointments. I give them to the sign in nurse so he can read them before he sees me, and that seems to work well. I know for me, and many I see on here and other sites, our "question" bank goes blank when we are in the office...then 3 hours later at home, "Frack! I forgot to mention this or ask that"...

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
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