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Experts Pushing to Ban Vicodin

AngelofDethAAngelofDeth Posts: 9
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:44 AM in Pain Medications

I was checking my email on MSN and this article was on the front page. ITs about how vicodin is the No 1 prescribed medicine in the US and a group of Experts are pressuring the FDA to ban the drug. If your a Vicodin user or prescribed any Narcotic check it out, it could possibly affect us.

But considering how much the government is infiltrated by corporations, im sure it will not be banned. Among other corporations, there are pill manufacturing executives in the FDA. We live in a corporate democracy.(sorry got a lil carried away, but had to say it);)


  • The FDA was looking at banning Darvocet about a year ago also. Their concern was about increased suicide incidence and the use of Darvocet. I wrote the FDA many times over this issue. So far they haven't pull it from the market. Hopefully they will think long and hard before effecting the quality of life of all patients with chronic pain.

  • The problem isn't the opiate, though, it's the tylenol! That's what people are getting into trouble with, and what doctors aren't being careful enough with. People are taking vicodin with tylenol, or with tylenol cold, or with Sudafed cold, without realizing they are taking too much acetaminophen.

    They've been talking about it for years. As pain management becomes more common, maybe they'll take it out of the GP's hands altogether and require a PM to get an opiate at all?
  • I cannot understand why acetaminophen has to be mixed with these narcotics. I know "they" claim it helps the narcs work better, but ask a million Norco users, it seems they don't miss the acetaminophen at all. The narcotics are dangerous enough on their own, without throwing in a drug that completely ruins the liver.

    Just my 2 cents!
  • Norco still has Acetaminophen in it, just a bit less. They put it in there to discourage overuse, thinking that since it limits the maximum dosage, people can't abuse it to the extent they can a straight narcotic (as many on these boards know, once tolerance is built up, narcotics can be taken at shocking amounts with no ill effects by regular users).

    That is why these are the meds that are regularly prescribed. They are schedule III rather than schedule II as the unmixed narcotics are. They can have refills called in, be filled for larger amounts, and don't draw as much suspicion on doctors (I guess).

  • Norco has much less paracetamol. But hydorocodone can also be mixed with less toxic ibuprofen and not acetaminophen. I'm sure some are allergic to ibuprofen, but the added nsaid properties would have to out weigh the little use for paracetamol. And yet acetaminophen/paracetamol is still sold OTC. Banning something that works so well for so many just makes no sense. I have been on generic Lortab for 10 months and I do not take more than prescribed (after a discogram aside). I still use it daily for BT pain and don't feel that I have a tolerance to it. Good idea Happy, for only a Pain Mgt specialist to be able to prescribe them too.

    I just think it's unfair to punish people that do not abuse drugs because some do. Having restrictions makes better sense. Or is the FDA and DEA too lazy to police these types of meds? The article was clear that there is no specific medication that can replace hydrocodone.
  • I don't think they are ever really going to ban it. I don't believe there is really any good reason to ban it, what there is a good reason for is better continuing ed and management of doctors.

    I read an article recently about a local doctor who became the "candyman" for his neighborhood. A guy went in for a sprained ankle, got hooked on vicodin, and ended up taking 60 a day, all enabled by this doctor. As long as stories like this exist, people like us will have to live in fear that our access to the only meds that work will be cut off :(

  • I saw an article on this as well, said acetamenophen was the leading cause of liver disease in the us. Kinda got me a little concerned, and thinking about asking the dr. for something without it, and changing to ibeprofin for over the counter relief.
  • Acetaminophen is safe in safe amounts. Just ask your doctor how much is safe for you and check labels, and you're OK.

    The problem is that people think of it as a very safe medication, and it comes in a lot of different over the counter medications. So they have a cold and a headache and a backache, so they take tylenol, sudafed max cold, and vicodin. Maybe an extra vicodin because it REALLY hurts. Wash it down with a jack and coke, and WHAM, they've just killed a little bit of their liver. Do that enough times...

    But people are routinely taking too much and taking it with alcohol, I guess, and that's why the liver disease. (and I'm also getting this from articles, not personal experience or medical training. I have a girlfriend whose daughter committed suicide by ODing on a number of things, but in the end it was the tylenol that resulted in her death due to liver failure. That sparked my interest).
  • Acetaminophen is a very potent pain reliever. I think a lot of now over-the-counter meds get a bad rap from some uninformed people who may think that their particular pain is so serious it must require a prescription medication. Tylenol, like Advil, Motrin and Alleve (and plain old aspirin), all started as prescription-only meds.

    I think it is often combined with other medications as it may work on different pain receptors, perhaps more quickly. It's not a huge dose, but if someone experiences pain beyond the norm that they feel forces them to use more of the prescription medication, or if they unknowingly take it in combination with a thousand other cold and flu medications in most medicine cabinets, those additional doses could be fatal.

    There is a cure for acetaminophen overdose, but it has a short window for administration. Unfortunately, there are no early physical signs of overdose. It's only hours later that symptoms set in, and unless treated early and aggressively, liver failure results. If you ever want to see something heartbreaking, it's someone who tried to commit suicide with Tylenol, then changed his/her mind later after the liver damage was permanent. Short of a transplant, there's nothing much to be done. They're sitting up and talking, but the fact is that in a few days they will be dead. How awful for the families to watch this drug kill so slowly.

    I don't want to see pain meds eliminated either, and that goes for Tylenol as well. But as one of the drugs we seem to take for granted, I wish there were a big, visible warning on each box of OTC medication containing it. Or gosh, how about a public service announcement or two? Sorry, forgot about budget problems. Oh well, we'll just assume everyone reads up on their meds. Right.

    *gets down from soapbox*
  • I thought the real problem was the mixing up of diff meds? I read one article that said thy wanted to do something to straighten out all the "vico"/codiene names. That would make alot of sense since we use different names for similar drugs and different names for the same drug.

    All of this would be simplified for the legal users if we stayed with one pharmacy and/or had a national drug registration. Geez they record my drivers license when I buy cough medicine but I can buy heavy narcs and no one cares!

    As far as the tylenol component why don't the doctors explain exactly what is in our medications? I have never had one tell me what components are in them and what to stay away from. Oh and tylenol is also a leading cause of kidney failure. Just another great recommendation.
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    The said they'll switch me over to something stronger next visit. The Nurse said "Morphine" ?? I thought there would be something different to use instead of going on to Morphine?
    What should be next? The problem is 16 months of Hydrcodne I have built up a tolerance to it.
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