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New member with lots of spin problems

kjkbnapierkkjkbnapier Posts: 22
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:46 AM in New Member Introductions
Ok for the last 30 some years I have had terrible back pain. I am 39 years old. As a child a doctor told my parents I had arthritis and at times was so bad I couldnt walk for days at a time. Never really done much with it my parents didnt believe in finding the problems.

Ok after many years of back pain I was injured on the job which caused even further back pain with just x-rays being done and meds and then go back to work. Years later I was injured again at work and was off work for 5 months and the orthopedic doctor at that time thought maybe I had ruptured a disc and so he decided to do an mri. The mri came out that there was no ruputured disc and he said the prolonged pain is not from the injury, But that there was something going on of which he did not tell me what was going on because workers comp was paying for the case.

Ok lets say about 5 years later i get down so bad that I cant hardly walk anymore the lower back was so bad that it would lock up on me after about 100 yards of walking. So the doc gets another mri and found i have arthritis and facet joint and disc deterioting disease (this is a pain clinic) at this point and now I egt to get the injections which did work for a few days at a time. And he has me on muscle relaxers and hydrocodin of which I cant stand that pill. The lady who done the mri showed me the pic;s after she done it and there was clearly an disc poking out as clear as day light. But when the video came to my doctor that pic was not on the disc. I have no clue what happen to it.

Ok the story continues I ask my doctor why they have not done my neck (mri) as there is a lot of pain in middle back pins and needles into my shoulder and neck area and lots of headaches that I have never had before. Matter fact the headaches never go away unless I take this darn vicodin. So he decides to set me up with another mri again after the tech was done she let me view the pic's and there is totally a disc protruding in the pic I await the results of this mri as I type this. I called today to get the mri disc and results and the lady told me they had to send the mri to get a second opinion. I feel as if they are tring to hide something from me. I might be wrong. Surely I cant have this much pain from arthritis. If you have an opinion feel free to email me. If there are any techs or doctors on here I will send you the mri pic's as I have them downloaded.


  • Welcome to SH. We are here to share our experiences and are not medically qualified to give you results pn your MRI. If you can find a way, myself I would gather up my test results and see another surgeon for an opinion, not one connected to W/C. Also, since you were given a possible arthritis diagnosis as a child, a visit to a rheumatologist would be a good place to go as well.

    Best wishes and keep us posted.

  • The mri at the c5-c6 level shows protruding/herniated disc they call it a small hernitaed disc from the report. What can be done from the exp of you guys ?
  • Kj,

    Unfortunately the MRI is only a piece of the puzzle to figure out what is truly going on. You can have an MRI with a huge hernia, and NO symptoms, conversely, a person can have a small bulge, protrusion or hernia, and all manner of symptoms! The doctors may have you undertake an NVC\EMG to see the status of your nerves, and too to confirm if the EMG supports the MRI. Some doctors use discograms to test and see if xx hernia is the pain generator, and of course, the physical exam.

    Please let us know what you find out. Take care, and Welcome aboard!!! :)

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • Well the emg was done before the mri and for the most part came back alright except for the L-5 S-1 nerv root. But they onoy done the lower back area . Hope this helps give an idea of what has been done so far.
  • Kj,

    That's kind of odd to only do the lower back, not the legs? I've had 3 (at 2 different facilities), and they did the paraspinal area (muscles along the spine - with nerves there), butt, hip and down the legs to my toes! I don't know how you can get a full picture of what is going on by just doing the lower back??

    I guess I am a bit puzzled giving your symptoms described. And since it was before the MRI, even more so I am curious. I've had the same type of testing of my cervical spine. The sides of the spine, the arms to the hands and some fingers. Just something to think about. Maybe there is something more specific they are looking for, and hence just the lower back was checked.

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • The reason for the emg before this mri was done was based off the one before this one I had another one about 45 days ago of lumbar. three in the last 120 days. So yeah they are kinda working the entire spin to find the problems. I do wish they would try something a little diffrent that dont cost so much. I am at this time laid off from work and cant afford these heavy medical cost.

    And no I cant apply for any kind of state funded medical care. I own my home outright and cars. I am however considering fileing for ssdi have spoken with a few lawyer to this point and they all say file now. but the problem is if these doctors can get me back in working condition I would be more then happy to go back to work. My employeer has been super cool about laying me off work while I deal with these issues.

    I am here to learn !!
  • Hi there kjk,
    I know w/c can be a pain..sure was nice your work gave you a layoff...
    In my experience (not medical professional at all)I do agree with mari...take your test the actually disc from mri and get to another doc....perhaps ck out teaching hospitals in your area...do you have a case worker assigned to you...
    hang in ther you have alot of support here..
    not all of us have that option to go see another doc so if that is the case...call and call till you get some answers to your pain...
    it sure sounds like somethings going on and your not being told and thats just not right....so perhaps you can find a clinic or doc ....do some searches on here alot of info and alot of ppl that have gone and going thru w/c doc..
    take care
    and again welcome
    neck,bone spurs pain started 04, back issues and fusion l4,l5 06~hardware removed.
    good few yrs. 09 pain sharp, numbness feet,legs, diagnosed fibro, neurop. legs.lung issues.
    daily goal do good thing for someone.
  • I just re-read your original post. Hate to say it, but arthritis *can* cause that kind of pain. I have that with my thoracic. I have 2 disks in there that are dried up, but the disk height somehow is maintained, and too some bone spurs - but none on any nerves that they can see. The arthritis causes me a lot of pain in the mid back for sure. Where I disagree with their 'findings' is the burning ring I have around my ribs - that pain *is* nerve pain. Sigh... :)

    Sorry to hear you are out of work, but glad too that your boss did go for layoff status, as at least for now you can get unemployment payments, and you're open to COBRA (though ridiculously overpriced in my book)!

    I'm not so sure that they are hiding anything, but maybe the doctors you are seeing aren't trained enough in the spine to "see" problems on your tests? Did you get copies of the MRI & EMG reports? I get copies of everything anymore. This way I can see before the bombshell is dropped, and too if I go to another doctor, I can show them where I am at now. I think that too, saves wasting time on more tests that aren't needed, cuz already done?

    House/cars paid off - same here. What's odd is it is a double edged sword as you're finding out. It is the dream of most of us, to be fairly debt free, and own outright our houses and cars. While working that goes for a wonderful credit rating, but when not working, the government uses that great accomplishment to say we are too well off to help? Oxymoron no?

    I pray you will be able to find answers soon. We've all had times with doctors like yourself, but most can jump to another source for answers, you're in a chronic doctor status now thanks to employment status and funds. I will keep you in my thoughts. *HUGZ*

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • I am no longer on the w/c claime that was shut down about 5 years ago I am now doing it on my own. But it does sound like I need to seek out a new doc maybe an orthopedic or neuro. The pain pmanagement kinda sucks they keep everything generic. Now they want me to do the RFA and keep doing these darn epidurals of botx and cotisone. that do not work for more then a few days to maybe a few weeks.
  • Sorry to hear of your spine issues and pain. I have a lot of pain from Degenerative discs in the lumbar spine and had a L5-S1 herniated disc and tear which has resolved with time and steroid injections.

    Facet joint pain has been also an issue with me and have been off work for 2-1/2 years with series of injections every few weeks and a slow release narcotic which helps some what. I use a cane to walk but have used a sitting walker to get around the block as walking seems the only exercise best for me at this time without Physiotherapy.

    I don't live in the States so have all healthcare paid for but have heard you could contact some University run hospitals for some free treatment? Check out Health Insurance forum by Lulusheart.

    I have C6-C7 nerve impingement with some elbow numbness and pain especially while at the computer but have not pursued relief as my cervical issues are not as bad right now. I have applied for Government disability and work pension disability and think you can apply even though you own your own home.

    All physical as well as any psychological effects can be determined by mainly your Family Dr. to build a case for disability. I'm not a Specialist or Dr. but this has been based on my experience only. We're here to support you. Take care. Charry
    DDD of lumbar spine with sciatica to left hip,leg and foot. L4-L5 posterior disc bulge with prominent facets, L5-S1 prominent facets with a posterior osteocartilaginous bar. Mild bilateral foraminal narrowing c-spine c4-c7 RN
  • Thanks Charry I have considered fieling for the ssdi insurance here. But I have not talked to my doctors about this issue as of yet. The job I was doing is a truck driver that I was forced out of that job anyways and laid off due to the govt rules of not allowing insulin dependant driving with a CDL. lic.
    So basically I am screwed on both sides of the fence here. I did contact a lawyer that deals with ssdi and he aid he dont see a roblem getting it. Im sure they always say this.
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