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How Do You Deal And When To Just Give In?

MichaelMMMichaelM Posts: 3
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:49 AM in Chronic Pain
Hello everyone,

From what I've read on the forums there are people here that have been dealing with chronic pain for years, some for their entire lives. I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind?

A little over 4 months ago I herniated two discs in my spine, L4 and L5. Apparently they are pushing on a nerve which is causing a painful and numbing sensation to shoot down my right leg into my foot.

I went to an orthopedic doctor who gave me an injection in my back that worked for about 2 weeks, then I sneezed and was back to square one injuring myself again. By square one I mean crying on the floor unable to move, or stay in one position for a long period of time.

I never cry, not in all my 30+ years, and the pain from this injury brings tears daily. I can't sit, stand, or even lay properly. I can't sleep for more than an hour. The pain is so intense it takes my breath away and I pray for death to come.

I have an appointment with a neurosurgeon this week, and with a pain management specialist. But, I'm losing hope, no one seems to have a game plan or can tell me exactly what to do in order to improve. I can't take this pain! I'm on pain killers that are so strong they make me ill. I use to eat percocet like candy and then they upped it to another intense drug.

My question is for anyone with severe pain like mine. That's crippling, 24 hours a day, never relents, and is intense enough to bring you to tears and wish for death.

How in the world do you deal with the pain and living another day knowing what's ahead?

This is scary to say, and ask. But, when do you think it's just time to call it quits and take your own life? I'm getting to that point where I just don't want to wake another day and have to deal with this type of pain. I think it may be more humane to just end it then continue this way.

Thank you all for reading, if you do, and answering, if you can!



  • It's never time to do that. Ever.

    Especially when there is hope! For the vast majority of people, herniated disks are not a permanent problem. The solution you propose, however, is.

    Please call your GP and tell them how you are feeling. Nobody should have to feel that way. Be especially sure to let them know what prescription medications you are taking, as some medication can increase the risk of suicidal thinking.
  • sunny1966ssunny1966 VIRGINIAPosts: 1,385
    It's never time for that. There is hope. As HB said, the pain from herniated disks can be fixed but what you're thinking of can't be undone. Please do call right away and tell your doctor what you're feeling. The stronger pain meds you're taking could be impairing your judgement. There is always hope!

    Welcome to spine health Michael. We are here to offer our support and help you in any way we can. Please do contact your doctor. There will be better days ahead even though it's hard to see that right now.

  • If you are not sleeping it makes thing much much worse. Tell your PCP and maybe you can try a sleep aid? The PM may be able to help as well. He might change your meds. Make sure you tell him you are not getting rested.

    My life was pretty bad before Ambien. It has made a huge difference. It is bad enough to be in pain, but being in pain and physically exhausted made me start thinking about bad stuff.... I am still in very high levels of pain daily, but I feel like I can live through it since I started getting rest again. I think I went about 3-4 months with just a few hours a day. I thought I was going insane. When I was driving there were times when I felt like I was going to pass out- other times when I would fall asleep during work hours. I told my PCP and she gave me the Ambien to try.

    The specialist will help a lot as wel. Once you have your head wrapped around your treatment options it will get better.

    Hang in there >:D<

  • Hang on Michael. Things could get better very soon, you want to be here when that happens so that you can possibly help others who have been where you are now. Sound hard to believe? I know, but I've been there and I hope that you can soon see things from this angle. It's not always easy, but sometimes it's so unbelieveably beautiful that my tears now are happy ones. Sending good {{vibes}} to you and wishing you the very best.
  • hi and welcome to the forum! we are here to offer you support and answer what questions we can. you sound as if you are at the end of the line. being here on the forum, perhaps you will find some new ways to cope and better ways to take care of your pain needs.. the pain management specialist should be a big help to you as should the other doctor. let them look at you and give them a chance to help!! i know the pain is unbearable and seems never ending, but it will end with time or atleast give you some relief..we are here to listen at any time so please take advantage of that!! good luck! Jenny
  • theres no need to be thinking of ending it, as there are several options for treatment for herniated disc"s.

    so, you are seeing a NS and PM dr this week, thats an excellent game plan, so you do have a plan, yes.

    take your scans, and go talk to them,let them no your symptoms and pain and im sure they will have a game plan for you.

    let us no how you went
    take care
  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 9,833
    You never give up hope or give it to the pain. There are always so many options that you need to look into.
    You need to discuss all options with your doctor.

    There are many conservative treatments available and all of them should be exhausted at least once and perhaps two times.

    You are taking the right steps in making appointments with some specialist. These are the folks that should be able to come up with action plans based on any existing or new diagnostic tests.

    Giving up is Easy
    Dealing and coping is Hard, but its the only route to take. Having a positive outlook is such a key ingredient. The medical field can do their part in making you comfortable, the rest is in your hands
    Ron DiLauro Spine-Health System Administrator
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences
    You can email me at: rdilauro@veritashealth.com
  • Welcome to Spine-Health.

    Please keep coming here to get support while you find the plan that's going to help you. You've already got plans to see a neurosurgeon and a PM and those are two great steps in the right direction.

    Many here understand your frustration, your pain and the thoughts you've expressed, but it's never time to give up. You'll find a plan to take care of the pain and that in itself can be calming and make you feel a bit better.

    We've all learned that spine problems teach us patience and we're here to help you through this as much as we can while you find the right way to deal with your problems and hopefully get them successfully treated and lessen your pain levels.

    Take care and please keep posting, letting us help you and keep us updated on your progress. We understand how you feel and are here for you.

  • I can say that I am where you are at. I have considered the bullet and so far have managed to avoid it. Once, it was pure luck that my daughter called the moment that she did and I could hear my grandson laughing in the background.
    At this stage of the game, I feel fairly confident that I won't do something like that. My son-in-law who attempted that many years ago and failed has given me a lot of insite. He still struggles with depression but has pointed out that had he been successful in his attempt, he would never have met and married my daughter; he would not have my grandson now; and of course he would not have such a fabulous mother-in-law. He tells me to push through it and it will get better and he is right. Everytime I think that way, I have to think about the things I would have missed if I had done the deed. I can't say that I don't still think about it when I hurt so bad at times, but it passes. If you have appointments with doctors, it sounds like there may be some surgical intervention that can be used to treat your issues. Michael there are many of us that have the type of pain you describe in varying degrees, that will never get better. There is no surgery or magic bullet that is going to change it. Go to your appointments and see what the doctors have to say. Often times issues like yours can be treated surgically with an excellent outcome and excellent relief. Take it one step at a time, one minute at a time if you have too. When I first came here I was ready to plug myself, but I will tell you there is a lot of caring and compassion here. We can help you get thru the struggles, if you will let us. Take care - Marion
  • Michael-

    I think a lot of can relate to the way you are feeling. Most of us have been through that. Many of us continue to go through that from time to time.

    You have appts. set up, and you need to let your docs know how you are feeling. I promise, it does get better.

    Please continue to stay in contact and let us know how things are going for you. I helps so much to know that you do have people that understand how you feel. (and most of the time you have someone on this site to talk to 24/7)

  • I've been in your shoes for about 3 yrs now. DDD, ruptured L1, spondylosis, etc. I've thought every day about ending it with a bullet. You're going to need surgery soon; I had it on 12/1/10, so I'm still hurting from that, but I think some things ARE a little better already, specifically the L1 disc fragments that were causing the worst of it are gone now, and that, at least seems better. You will most likely need a 2 level fusion; my extensive research online prior to my surgery indicates this has a real good success rate, at least short-term. (5yrs) You will likely never be free from some pain, but you will get enough relief to be able to live again. Love this site, glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that way for so long. You WILL get better and want to live again! Get going, and don't be afraid to research this thing yourself; discuss options, get 2nd &3rd opinion, whatever. But be pro-active and tell your doctor everything you're feeling.
  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 9,833

    There are so many other real tragedies out in the world, why would anyone who suffers with chronic pain due to spinal problems want to end it. Sure, we may have day to day pain, hard to get up, cant do the things we used to do... But take a look at some people who dont have ANY option.

    Ending it....
    That is the easy way out. Easy for the person and so much more difficult for those they leave behind.

    Its one thing to get down and have bouts of extreme sadness, but to even think about ending ones life, I strongly feel you should be seeking professional help.

    Ron DiLauro Spine-Health System Administrator
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences
    You can email me at: rdilauro@veritashealth.com
  • As you've already read, you've come into a very supportive community here. I know where you're at right now buddy, I've been there.

    I was doing okay with varying degrees of DDD, bone spurs and a protruding disc, but when the other disc herniated, I've never felt pain like that before, and I've been through a lot of pain in my lifetime. I couldn't be upright at all, not even sitting. Even laying down, that searing pain from my neck into my shoulder blade and down my arm into my hand, really was unbearable. But I did it. I ended up having surgery, they trimmed up the herniation and the protrusion, got rid of the bone spurs (which are now back) and released the pinched nerves. Do I still have problems? Yes, I'm still in daily pain, but it's nothing compared to what it was before.

    You have your appointments this week, go to them, listen to what they have to say. It may take a bit to find the right thing to relieve you of your pain, but hang in there, they will find something to help you. And as others have said previously, you really need to tell your doctor about these thoughts. It could be a side effect of a med that you're already taking, or he could give you an anti-depressant that will help.

    Think of your family, (wife/girlfriend/partner and kids?) and your friends. I've known, sadly, a lot of people who committed suicide. The mess that they leave behind, I'm talking the long lasting emotional nightmare of a mess, not just the physical, for the family and friends, is brutal. Would you really want to do that to yours? And it's not just the people closest to you that you hurt by doing it, it could be someone that you went to high school with. [strong]Every single person that you've met in your lifetime, is affected in some way,[/strong] people you wouldn't even think of. Some would be sad, some mad, someone you barely know might even think, well if he did it, then so can I. What if that someone was a person in your immediate family, or group of friends? Would you really want to affect people in that way? Just think about that...

    If you would like to know about the surgery I had (less invasive than a fusion) feel free to pm me, I would be happy to tell you about it - anterior cervical foraminotomy. Take care, and do let us know what the surgeon and pain management doc said.
    APROUD CANADIANveteranButNOTa doctor, my thoughts are my own
  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 9,833
    post is read not only as a Proud Canadian, a Proud Soldier, but I also want to add that I am proud to have you here on Spine-Health.

    I've always feared people take the entire idea about ending it way too lightly. I knew someone who wanted to end it all because of monthly migraines! Come on, things need to be taken into perspective.

    One of my closest friends is now paralyzed from the waist down. He was an active man, involved in Real Estate and many town activities. One day he was trimming some low branches from a tree with his wife and as he came down the ladder, he missed the last two steps.

    As a result, he will never walk again. In a split second he went from a healthy person to being truly disabled.

    When I talk with him, you would never know he had a problem in the world. He is so grateful for his family and friends and is determined to live the best possible life he can.

    Now that takes strength.
    Ron DiLauro Spine-Health System Administrator
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences
    You can email me at: rdilauro@veritashealth.com
  • on their pain, their individual tolerances, etc. I happen to think I'm pretty tough, I still do it all, too much I'm sure but I'm not willing to give up anymore than I have. Still there are days when I toy with it. It does get old, it gets depressing and when You start thinking about things like never doing certain things again, it is hard! I think some people get used to those ideas quicker than others, others (like me) never really get over it and at times it just eats on you and drives your crazy. I am a lot better than when I started here but I have a long way to go. Am I totally out of the “bullet” woods? No, I’d be lying if I said I was. Do I have more tools now to equip me to handle those times when I consider it? Yes, and some of that is because of people here. Everyone is individual and everyone is entitled to feel what they feel. There is no right or wrong. All we can do is help them, understand, listen and share what has helped us along the way. I remember when I first came here someone told me I was nuts for thinking the way I was thinking. That was a pretty major turn off for me. Everybody has a right to their feelings, everyone matters, and everyone does not think alike.
  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 9,833
    everyone is entitled to their own opinions and views.

    But there has always been and will always be the differences between Right and Wrong.

    Sometimes its just what and how a person looks at what is Right and what is Wrong.

    I hopefully do not try to get to opinionated in my posts, but the topic of Life and cherishing it and not throwing it away has always been a very important topic to me.

    (Mouse: this was not directed to you or in anyway I am saying you view is throwing life away, my comments are general)
    Ron DiLauro Spine-Health System Administrator
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences
    You can email me at: rdilauro@veritashealth.com
  • I have been dealing with the aftermath of suicide. My sons father committed suicide just over a year ago. I think my Dr had it right when he said that the living are the victims of suicide. My poor boys have been thru hell, and are still trying to learn how to cope. What makes it worse (to me) are the people trying to justify it, and saying that his life was hard and that he is at peace now. I don't want my boys to think that suicide is an option, that it will bring peace. Kelly, you said this much better than I managed too.

    Pain, with no end in sight is horrible to say the least. There are things that can help us get thru, as stated above.

    I had cancer at 22, and in a lot of ways that was easier to deal with (for me) than chronic pain. My friend who has MS and I have talked about this a lot (her sister died from cancer) and she agrees. The Dr's were compassionate (once they realized I had cancer), and they did everything to help. I have found that with chronice pain that it is an uphill battle. There are so many people here that are/have won that battle. Either by accepting their new life, or with Dr's help recovering. A lot of the people who have recovered from back pain don't post, as they are going on with their life.

    I have had the thought go thru my mind, that it would be easier to end it, but as quickly as it was there I stamp it out. I have lived thru what it leaves, and I will not do that to my family and friends.

    there are so mant resources available to help you thru this, this site is one. Are there suicide hotlines in you area? I think that they can be a great help, esp while you are waiting to see/talk to your Dr.
  • call first then call your regular doctors...
    this to me is a chickens way out and a courwards way not to have to deal with sh t...sorry to be straight but i also have had to deal with the aftermath of a stupid selfish person killing themselves bs they kill everyones spirit around them..
    so i say call hotline asap then talk with your docs..if you suffer from depression alot of those meds can make you worse..and alot of nerve meds give you those horrible thoughts...
    i sure hope you have called a hotline by now you need to asap...
    cronic pain,cancer or anything else we are giving in this live we deal with it best we can...
    life is a gift and it is not ours to be taken away...
    please get help from professionals asap..
    i'm with all of you on this
    and ty kelly well put...
    and so agree with ya papa ron....
    neck,bone spurs pain started 04, back issues and fusion l4,l5 06~hardware removed.
    good few yrs. 09 pain sharp, numbness feet,legs, diagnosed fibro, neurop. legs.lung issues.
    daily goal do good thing for someone.
  • Hiya, Welcome to spine health >:D< , this is a great community :D , and you are certainly in the right place >:D< Michael , there are many here who are as the same as you :? One thing never allow this to beat you >:D< Do you take medication for this? Have you ever been to pain management (they are very helpful)? :? Go and have a chat with your doctor! O:) Let us know how you get on! >:D<

    Angie :H
  • There is help out there! Sometimes we just need the help and guidence of knowing where to look for it! It sounds to me like you are not getting the help you need! I was like you before i went to pain management , there they helped me alot, and work closely with me. They put you on the correct medication you need for all your different pains you get. :H

    Angie ;)
  • Michael,

    From M.A.S.H. "Suicide is painless..." BULL! Sorry, but being an Army vet, and too 20 years law enforcement, I've had way too many "brothers and sisters" "eat their gun" and end it over things that weren't permanent! Yeah, okay, your pain is gone, but being you are 30+, that tells me you probably have a lot of family alive, and like most friends - some of which are tight/best friends - their pain will begin!

    Here is what such a permanent, do not pass go, do not collect $200 dollars does to THEM:

    Feelings of helplessness (that they couldn't help)
    Questions forever unanswered (Why?)
    Loss of trust - some friends will never get close to someone again to prevent the PAIN they now feel.

    "Ending it" is NEVER the answer! Now that tough love from living through dear ones 'ending it', I will now add this. You have taken excellent steps now by coming here, and setting up appointments to see what is going on, and what can be done. That is huge! Now you need to let your doctors know what you have been thinking and feeling. It could well be the medications you are on that are causing such thoughts. Please hang in there, this too can be addressed. Sorry Ron if this was too harsh, as this subject is rather personal....

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • Thank you all for the comments of compassion, and the comments that were straight forward and very blunt in their disagreement to my thoughts. I really appreciate both!

    There are highs and lows, that seem to coincide with the pain. I'm always in pain, but when it becomes overwhelming, as it often does, the extremes start to flow into my thoughts. When I posted, the pain was almost unbearable and so was the low. The pain hasn't relented, but I'm still here.

    I went to the neurosurgeon today. The results of the consultation were that my mri was what the doctor called "absolute crap" and told me never to return to that center. He said that he's not able to give advice about the pain, he's strictly there to determine whether or not I need surgery. Surgery that may or may not take the pain away. He said my symptoms that included no reflexes in my ankle require me to have a procedure called a lumbar myelogram performed.

    I've lived my life without fear. I'm in incredible pain, but have no fear...until now! I've been searching online for comments from people who have had this procedure and they have me absolutely frightened. The pain these comments describe seem worse than the pain I have now, and that seems impossible. To sum things up, I did not receive news that lifted my spirit.

    Tomorrow is my consultation with pain management. I'm going to ask them about the procedure scheduled and see what they have to say. I also hope to gain some positive information and, well, hope!

    Thank you again to everyone who posted. It's impressive to see people who are willing to take the time to respond. It's so very much appreciated!

    Oh, by the way, my grandfather committed suicide to escape the pain he suffered. It did leave our family devastated and confused. But, I believe I can understand his state of mind, and why he did what he did now. I will continue to fight the pain, and the negative thoughts, I still have some hope!
  • Have you read the articles here at S-H about herniated disks? I believe they might give you a bit more of an optimistic attitude toward the future.

    You've come to a place where many gather to discuss chronic pain. Some of us have pain due to back problems. But that does not mean that most people with a herniated disk go on to have chronic pain!

    And I think you said it very well yourself with regards to your grandfather- committing suicide simply transfers your pain to your loved ones, only theirs has no possibility of a cure.

    I had a lot of luck seeing a health psychologist to help me deal with my changed health status. She also helped me with some new tools to deal with pain and anxiety. It's something I'd highly recommend to anybody experiencing chronic pain.
  • Michael,
    Many people here are in equal pain and that learning has been not to make that apparent which encourages us just to feel worse and develop that pattern of behaviour that can be so destructive, if we have the same thoughts feeling and emotion that the same outcome will follow, the key is in some way to change and only you have the power to do that. We have all thought at times when things get tough that we can stand this no longer experience comes with time and we become more competent at dealing and using those new strategies to deal with the ongoing pain. That is not to diminish our effort and it does take considerable inner strength to keep going, we may feel like giving up every day and getting some semblance of understanding and inevitability does enable us to get through, it is tough and every day is a constant challenge.

    Hope is the potential for improvement and we have to work incrementally towards managing ourselves and this imposed condition, we all have others who are reliant on what we say and our example, looking to us for support encouragement and guidance, it can initially seem overwhelming and even with vast experience, we have no easy solution or finite answer. I have twenty years experience and an array of tools and techniques to cope with my pain, and with the correct support encouragement here you too will gain some insight into how many here continue to cope in difficult and changeling circumstance. Try not to look too far ahead, the new you will take time to become familiar with yourself, in telling us how you feel is the first stage of making things better, it take courage and honesty to divulge our inner most thoughts and together we all help each other here, we know and understand how it feels, those thought and emotions, the frustration and despair.

    Have you told you doctor how you feel, the important thing is to get the help you need, although we will be supportive, our condition mandates that we only set objectives that we can attain and more from that waypoint to the next new objective,

    My own grandfather committed suicide and for the want of a kind word or listening ear at his equivalent SH perhaps he to would have perceived things diffidently. Contry to your perception, you are not alone and many here have had the very same thoughts as you and through courage resilience and appropriate support continue to find meaning of what they are trying to do, it may well not be what they expected as life itself a precious gift.

    Take care and get the help you need to move forward.


  • Michael, sometimes the tests, treatments, and procedures that we need to go through can be painful, time consuming, costly, and difficult on a lot of levels, but just keep in mind that this will pass, not stay with us, and might actually help get to the root of our problems. I'm so glad to read that you have some hope.. it's one of those priceless things that I have come to treasure and have learned how valueable it is to have even just a small amount of. You can't buy it, or even save it for a rainy day, but just knowing that it's there, it was there, it will be there........that's sometimes all we need. :)))
  • Hiya >:D< Michael, sometimes is all we need is these doctors/surgeons to hear what we say, and give us compassion and understanding, of our illness/disability/disorder. When they do listen and start to give us answers to the pain we feel and why we feel, it does lift our mood, and we dont feel so alone and frustrated.

    There was a time when i was so low/frustrated and i felt isolated, this was because is all the GP would give me was a paracetomal, it didnt even touch the pain. I began to think perhaps its all in my head, so i pushed myself to the limit, it was at that point i hurt myself, and they started with x-rays/scans/MRI, then when the results came back, they could see i had problems and i was in the pain that i said i am in.

    The point i am trying to get across, is you are not alone, as you can see by all the feed back you have recieved.

    How did it go with pain management? How are you feeling today? Chat soon! >:D<

    Angie :H :)
  • Never take your own life! That is a point that can't be stressed enough. I know how you feel when you are at the point you want to give up on life. I have been there off and on for too many years. Now I'm a mother and even though sometimes I want to die the bigger part of me wants to see my children grow up. Find ONE thing in your life that you would hate yourself if you missed. For me that is watching my children grow up and having a chance at grandchildren one day. I want to be there for my kids and I want to see what they grow up to be like. My other advice is go to your PCM and talk to them. They will start you on meds that may help. If you are seriously thinking of taking your life you need to be admitted into the hospital for your own safety. How that works with back problems I can't tell you because at that point in my life where I was put in the hospital I didn't have these issues. Just please talk to your PCM.

    Also whoever said not sleeping well makes things worse is so very right. Not sleeping well can add to the things going on in your head. It is very important to get the sleep your brain and body needs.

    Dealing with chronic pain is hard but it doesn't have to be this hard, get your mind taken care of and this should get a little easier
  • Hi again everyone,

    Thank you for the continued support and encouragement. I wish I had some good news to tell everyone, but unfortunately, things are the same.

    I went to get another steroid injection on Monday, but it didn't help. Boy, I was so hoping it would help just a little! Oh well, I've become use to the floor, it's my best friend. Car rides are awful, good god, the sitting, the bumps, shifting weight, ugh! I hope after every one something will change.

    I go for the lumbar myelogram on Friday. I've done more research, and have found the horror stories I mentioned in my last post, but just as many success stories. I'm not so fearful anymore. Maybe they will find something and maybe I can finally get a real treatment! I'm going to allow myself to get my hopes up one last time for this procedure.

    Anyway, that's my update. I'll be sure to get back to everyone with the results of Friday's test when they are in. Before I go I just want to thank everyone again for continuing to post and share your stories with me. It's awful to say, and I hope you don't take it the wrong way, but I'm glad to know I'm not alone. I'm also sad that I'm not alone at the same time. No one should have to suffer :(

    You all take care, and I hope only good things for you all.
  • It is SO nice to know you aren't the only one. I used to be the only one I knew dealing with this and it was hard. It is unbelievable when you find a place such as this and realize just how many people live with terrible pain, issues, emotional stress, and the vast array of other malodies that come with pain, lack of understanding from others, and hopelessness. I don't feel alone anymore, there are so many kind, caring people here. Keep coming and just "Let it all hang out baby"! Sometimes you just need to blow off some steam, sometimes you need to cry, sometimes you need to just talk and get those feelings out and know that someone is hearing what you are saying. Take care of yourself and let us know how Friday goes for you. Marion
  • Hiya >:D< >:D< Michael, you have so many spiney friends here, the people here are wonderful, and always give support, through the good times and also the bad times O:) . Have a wonder around the site its full of information, that will give you guidance :? .

    The pain we experience is awful, and some cases are stuck with the pain. I am in constant pain ~X( . I used to have good days and bad days. Now i have bad days and very bad days. I used to get so low, and have been in that dark place at times, then i realised i cant fight the pain, as i am stuck with it! I had to find a way to just live with it :? ! For example, today i have extreme pain and could easily stay in bed, but i know i have to keep moving, so i push myself to just go for a little walk, it does exhaust me and most likely fall asleep when i get back! At one time i would push myself that much, i would vomit :& , but these days i know my limit! I think we all have to find our limit, so we dont do more damage.

    I do think thats the key, to find our limit, and learn to live with it, instead of fighting the pain we are stuck with! I do hope this will help you :?

    Have you got you results? How are you feeling today? Chat soon :D

    Angie >:D< :H

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