OK, here goes, the disks between l5-s1, l4-l5, are bone on bone and l3-l4 is getting there. (and yes it hurts) My question is, if i can live with the pain, for now at least, is surgery REALLY necessary? I have not seen a surgeon or anything, my family doctor (who is a retired osteo surgeon) just referred me to pain management and pain management has simply kept me on the same meds as the family doc, which is 3 10/325 percocet, 3 10mg baclofen, and 3 800mg ibuprofin a day. I tried Cymbalta but it made me sick, AND i don't have the sciatic type nerve pain. Any thoughts or idea's would be most welcome 8-) Thanks!