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18 yr old, reoccurring pain into leg etc

Hello everyone.. This is my first real topic on here and im usually quite closed up about this stuff but im really looking for some answers. Ive read through the opening articles about different areas of pain, the spine etc.. And learned quite a lot already. But without self diagnosing to much I have decided to let others think it over.

My problems started a few months to 1/2 a year ago in my lower back when i had a funny walk from needing a synovial plica removed from my right knee. I figured once i walked normal after words it would go away! It did for a period but then with my job (agriculture feed store.. Like Agway except more items than just feeds) i do a lot of lifting twisting and picking items up. I know the bend and lift at the knees deal, stretch as much as i can etc.. But it doesnt help now. Ive visited my doctor, chiropractor, and even an acupuncturist. I tried some home remedies (stretches and herbs etc).

So i will copy and paste really fast some details i posted in my introduction post just for the sake of typing:

"The chiro had me relax and ice/heat when using and said i had a disc problem no xrays etc. Just a test where he elevated my leg and straightened my foot (point toes away from head) then put them back at a 90 degree angle and saw that the 90degree cause pain whilst straight was lessened...
The MD put me on prescriptions that didn't help and told me to take it easy.
The acupuncture didn't help even though it was extremely relaxing and very enjoy able. But the crazy Chinese herbal supplement she put me on did. When that ran out i tried home remedies.. To no avail. Gave up for a while.
Recently, (1 week) i started taking 100% crystal MSM 2x daily 1/2 teaspoon each, along side a turmeric supplement, small dosage of fish oil (GNC brand capsules, i believe 300mg each), and about a cup of pure aloe vera juice. All for anti inflammatory effects and bodily support. It seemed on day 1 to help but not having enough time to really know. I have a chiro appointment scheduled for the following monday as its been acting up quite bad lately (Hence the new trial run of "drugs")."

I changed last night to just the MSM, Fish oil (taking it anyways just for supposed health benefits), aloe vera juice, and devils claw which was recommended by a friend who had back pain then surgery and is taking it for such. Its been about a week and ive noticed small changes.. Most with how the flare up i had when i started.. Which was quite bad. It has lessened faster than my normal episodes did in the past. But over long term i cant say as i dont have the data. The pain is majorly right above my left hip on the back, and on bad days spreads down my left leg. I dont have almost any flexibility for bending on that side, no where close to my right.

Ive decided the symptoms is similar to sciatica, with chronic pain that fluctuates. So.. Thats my story and i hope someone can give me some tips.. Im heading back to the chiro next week to start from square one again and really attempt to fix this..

Thanks everyone.


  • nothing, as far as a diagnosis goes. The first step in getting a spine issue treated, is seeing the proper medical doctor .
    The next is getting a proper diagnosis. There are several things that can occur in your spine, and in order to find a proper treatment, you need a proper diagnosis.

  • Hello sandi, so in essence what can i do to talk with my doctor about this? My chiro is the only one that has given me any sort of answer. And it wasnt much of one. I saw my doctor and he just out me on hydrocodone for inflammation and pain control.i have no specialists within 40 miles of me. Is there anything i can do with my chiro to work at this as a starting point? What questions should i be asking, and what details are super important?
  • You can ask your Dr about scheduling an MRI since you've been dealing with these symptoms for quite some time. I would be reluctant to have chiropractic adjustments without first being diagnosed. Depending on the cause of your pain, chiropractors can actually cause more harm than good. I am one that is not able to have chiropractic adjustments due to the condition of my spine. It's important to be properly diagnosed so you can be properly treated.

    Progressive DDD
    Chronic S1 Radiculopathy
    Discectomy L5-S1 2002
    Discectomy, Laminotomy/Foraminotomy L3-S1 January 2014
    Bilateral SI Joint Fusion and 2 level spinal Fusion October 2014
  • sandisandi Posts: 6,342
    edited 08/21/2014 - 3:59 PM
    if your symptoms warrant it. The thing is that your insurance may not approve it if it is not deemed medically necessary. You can start by seeing your primary doctor and relaying to him what your symptoms are, what the chiropractor has told you. And asking him to either refer you to a spine surgeon for consultation, or order the MRI.
    Once you know exactly what may or may not be causing your symptoms, then you can start looking into treatment options.
    Almost all of us, if we are over the age of 21-25 will have some amount of what is called degenerative disc disease, which really is a huge misnomer......it is a normal condition that simply means that our discs loose some fo their hydration over time and may or may not be the cause of the pain you are having.
    It could be a bulging disc or a herniation or a microscopic tear in the covering of the disc, so you can see why finding out exactly what it is that he is calling a "disc problem" is important.
  • The advice on here is quite good and there is tons of information. I'd like to add to go with your gut. I've had a very sore muscle related back issue from time to time for 20 years. Yes. I was a teenager, skinny, healthy, but with a bad back. The past 10 years I've had sciatica... And painful sore backs from time to time. The reason I joined now was my recent surgery. This time... My back, and the pain was not messing around. Listen to your gut and seek help from your doctor and or a hospital with spine specialists.
  • RaieverRRaiever Posts: 14
    edited 08/21/2014 - 5:45 PM
    Thanks ladies and gents, im starting to get the big picture. I really in simple terms need to get some sort of scan done. Skip the meds, skip the chiropractic.. Just convince the doctor to recommended it so insurance really helps.

    Biggest thing here is that the pain comes and goes.. And i plan to go into the air force within the next 6 months. So i really appreciate all the help i can get.

    Ps: im the type of person Who would rather have to much info than to little. So anything is helpful. Even just saying "go to your doctor and some how get the mri done for your sake." (:
  • I found that because I was relatively young and quiet about my pain and fears of drop foot it took me a while to get seen and listened to in our Canadian emergency health care system. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Also..you've tried herbals and chiropractic... but I think you know some hard medical facts are what you need. Good luck fellow spiney!
  • RaieverRRaiever Posts: 14
    edited 08/22/2014 - 3:11 AM
    Today is interesting.. The past week ive been in a major knot in the same area (lower left spine into left leg.. No flexibility for bending).. I could barely bare with the pain without taking an aleve or two.. Today i feel perfectly fine.. Not to much pain and flexible a bit more. As i said ive been taking MSM, devils claw, and fish oil (small doses) and nothing else has changed.. But i feel better!

    This is why ive been reluctant to really dig into this. Its like 50/50 chance day to day i will feel just fine.. <.>
  • It could simply be a flare up of sciatica as well. When it comes to the spine, there are so many structures, nerves, ligaments, tendons etc, that determining the cause without a proper examination or imaging is nearly impossible and just guessing at what it might be.
    Sciatica can come on suddenly, flare heavliy or be a mild ache, last for a few hours, or a few months, and then just as suddenly as it appears, it can disappear, for weeks, months or even years.
    Or it could simply be that you pulled a muscle and as time passes, and it heals, the symptoms also disappear........so , going to see your doctor is the right place to start.
  • Well, i woke up today.. Cracked my back and showered warm and enjoyed a cup of coffee. Then i realized.. My back doesnt hurt at all today. Its just not there! This is why im so confused about this (although im not a doctor of course).. ._.
  • Let me ask this: are there any stretches and maneuvers to help lower back pain in general? I think that if i start to gently stretch the area (i can barely bend over when its inflamed) while its simmered down perhaps i can cut back on reoccurring pain. Once i get a check up on it, and have some answers i can go from there but i think this is a spot to start.

    Any suggestions or thoughts on that?
  • Just as an update.. I went to the Chiro not for an adjustment but to talk to him about the pain etc.

    He told me I have classic example of sciatica, and that he wants to use some physical therapy techniques to help manage that and trace it back to its source. He says being the active person I am with sports etc. its normal.
  • RaieverRRaiever Posts: 14
    edited 08/26/2014 - 5:18 AM
    Its normal to exp. Some degree of back injury it just happens that mine is causing pain. I probably have had the injury but it never inflamed like it has in the past 4-6 months. I will be doing the stretches he gave me until next wednesday and then am scheduled to go back for a follow up.

    Shall i keep updating this?:)
  • Please keep us updated!

    I know I'm repeating what others have said but I'd really like to see you have an MRI. If you do have a herniated disc it's vitally important that you don't allow a chiropractor to do any adjustments on you. It can make a bad situation much, much worse. You're considering a very physically strenuous career path. If you do have spine damage you can reconsider & plan your life accordingly. I've been in pain 24/7 for over 8 years now. I wish I'd had a crystal ball when I was younger & put restrictions on myself before it reached this point.
    Physical therapy (exercises & stretches) is an excellent idea. It will help strengthen your core, hopefully let you avoid future 'flares' & prepare you for your new career.

    I wish you the best of luck. Please take it easy until you know what's causing this. ;-)

    Osteoarthritis & DDD.
  • Ask your doc for a referral to physical therapy. There they will teach you proper ergonomics, body mechanics, stretches and strengthening exercises that you can continue at home. For some people doing this is all they need to recover from an episode of back pain.
  • Hey everyone.. Been a few days since my last response.. Boy its been crazy. Since my visit with the chiropractor the first time my pain has gone up and down between multiple different levels. The second visit was a follow up on the stretches he had gave me.. Which seemed to help some. With 1 week between all visits we have kept a log on pain levels (mainly from 3-9). My second to last visit he did some deep muscle message up my spine and was able to gently get my lower back to pop, which he never can do.

    Let me tell you. It felt amazing. For a couple days everything felt good then it hit me one day at work. It was crippling. I started taking aleve 2 pills twice daily (via doctor recc.) for pain management. It has t been fun as i hate taking pills.

    So i went today for an app. And have had no change.. High pain, no flexibility, same stretches. He did some more deep massage and they help for a little bit. He told me to continue what im doing and wednesday we will have a follow up app. If by then its the same he will refer me to my doctor for PT options, and pain management plans. Hoping to create a network for this that i can ask questions and bounce ideas off of.

    Hope everyones doing good! Im hanging in there and try to keep sane!
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