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cptdarelccptdarel Posts: 3
edited 11/08/2015 - 2:29 AM in Pain Medications
Hi all, First post here................... so sad to see these posts and suffering from everyday people...............

I have been suffering from lower back pain from a herniated disc for 10 years now, but it wasn't till 5 years ago it dropped me to my knees, right at my day of retirement, My Doc from my Health Group the "K" sir" had me on 4 Norko a day 120 pills @28 days, and 2 Tramadol a day, the Norko is 1 every 6 hours "A JOKE" they do NOT last me 6 hours but more like 3-4 hours, but I manage to get my day going by taking first at 11 AM and my 4th pill at 9PM the Tramadol I would take at 3AM as the pain would wake me up, never rarely took 2 Tramadol a day............................

my Doc retired I get a new Doc and he was shocked to see I was on Norko and Tramadol and dropped my Tramadol I now wake up howling in the night unable to get to sleep, I have begged and pleaded my case to the Doc but he pretty much has said Tough [edit], my last visit I in anger said it may be time to get a gun and end this pain, his response was "sorry you feel that way" unbelivable...................I want to change HMOs but I feel new Docs may say the same....................I have contemplated ways to take my life, many nights I lay in bed thrashing around, I just can not take it anymore, my boat is going up for sale as well as my camper, I don't know if I go to emergency would be advantages to sending a message to my Doc.

very depressed to say the least, and the thing is I HATE the feeling of Norkos, and pain meds for that matter.

PS............. I have ordered some Opium seeds for this spring planting, or I my go hit the streets for meds.........


  • That you are contemplating the things you stated, perhaps it is way past time for you to start exploring other options, such as consulting with a board certified spine surgeon ,to see if the herniated disc has worsened or if it is still actually the cause of your pain, or if there may be anything else going on.
    While being cut off a medication that you were on for a long time isn't great, you said you only took one a day for the most part, so I am a bit confused why it is such a problem, leaving you contemplating suicide, or planting opium seeds.
    If the Norco is still being given, it is usually dosed every 6-8 hours.
    The other option is to consult with a board certified pain management doctor and see what he thinks . Assuming the disc is actually still causing the pain, there are many things that can be done to ease the pain.

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  • SavageSavage United StatesPosts: 5,476
    edited 11/08/2015 - 6:06 AM
    The chronic pain is often accompanied by depression ...but should never be accepted as normal.

    I, too, have depression . I believe in specialists....
    so, I sought out psychiatrist and did some talk therapy with therapists and it was hugely helpful.
    There are therapists who specialize with chronic pain and depression, also.
    She helped me the most and more quickly to better change my thoughts and behaviors.

    When I was going through some bad times, I would call the suicide hotline number. It was programmed into my phone.
    I would call whenever I wanted, day or night and often more than once a day...and I'd say whatever I wanted.
    Sometimes I'd listen and not believe a word they said, but it gave me time to pause.

    These are the Suicide Help Resources from Spine-health:
    Suicide Hotline Numbers

    USA: 1-800-784-2433
    UK: 08457 90 90 90
    ROI: 1850 60 90 90

    Suicide Hotline Number for Canada (URL Link)

    Also, when my pain was horrible, I went to the ER. My primary care doctor tried working with my pain for two years before referring me to pain management, which was best thing for me!

    With PM, one of my goals that has been achieved....he kept me out of ER, thus far.
    I totally believe in specialists.

    But when only working with primary and my pain just so horrible...
    I, on more than a few occasions, had to go to ER for some kind of relief.
    I found my pain left to itself, takes on a cycle of worsening...so treatment was needed to stop the cycle.

    We weren't meant to live at pain rated at 10 day after day. And there are no discounts for suffering well.
    I believe in taking care of myself just as I would a loved one.
    If one doctor isn't take pain seriously, I would continue seeking help until someone did help me.
    Often times it's difficult to advocate for ourselves, but we must!

    Eventually with PM, he came up with appropriate treatments and med regime. The pain is always still there, but certainly takes the edge off.
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  • Your primary doctor would have you believe that 4 Norco per day is all there is or that your pain does not qualify for better treatments. It's time to take your care in your own hands and go find a pain management doctor that believes in opioid therapy while also once again seeing if there in an anatomical correction that can be made for your condition. Let your doctor know that his or her treatments are inadequate and move on.
  • It's cruel isn't it.
    Have you had a recent MRI?
    Are you a candidate for surgery?
    Please try to remember all the good things in your life & keep fighting for yourself.
    Keep us posted xx
    Kirsti x
  • Thanks for the responses, I didn't mention I have had the 3 series of epidurals, acupuncture, pain management, Physical therapy ,MRI 3 years ago, tens unit, all to no avail, it's NOT that I get depressed, it's the pain level I can not and shouldn't have to tolerate in crises hours, a level 10 howling and rolling in bed, and the doctors will not give one more norko to take up that gap, while a friend gets 5 norko a day I am held at 4, like I say they do NOT last 6 hours, they last 3 hours, not so bad laying on my back if I stay there, the HMO I belong to Kaiser Perminente, are on a all American stop drug overdosing campaign, as seen on TV.
    I think they are retaliating as I refused to finish the pain management program, was a joke to me, tying to psych your brain the pain is not there, it may work for some, not me.
    my Doc did mention putting me on Morphine, but only 2 pills a day, that scared the heck out of me.

    has anyone tried this Laser Spine inst.?
  • That would be my suggestion.

    If you are in that kind of pain and need need that type of coverage, you need to be on a long acting pain med.

    Not sure why you would be afraid to take morphine.

    If the doctor wanted to put you on two pills a day, I would guess that he would be talking about MS Contin which I currently take.

    When I first started going to PM I was on 4 Percocet per day.

    I got so tired of the ups and downs with it and constant clock watching that he decided to put me on the long acting morphine with percocet for breakthru pain.

    Believe me that the long acting med works much better than short acting because you keep a steady level of med in your system so no more roller coaster.

    Then you just use the short acting when the pain goes beyond your long acting med.

    I have been taking pain meds for 18 years now and truly the long acting med is the way to go.

    You should not have to be in the kind of pain you are describing.

    Please give it a try at least. I will keep you in my prayers.


  • Opioid therapy is not only a serious commitment for the doctor you also need to be ready to make it. That means sitting down and putting real thought into and then going forward with your decisions. I too was scared to go on 24 hour pain management but N2Braves is absolutely right, the long acting pain medicines are far superior to the short acting ones and for a whole host of reasons. One of them is that if you get the right dosage you can eliminate the pain and not get a "high" feeling. And then if you need to take a breakthrough they tend to work much better since it is going on top of what is already in your body. It can be expensive though, I have to see my PM doctor every month, that is the only way he operates. I also have to take urine tests every three months.

    In your research you will find that there is more than one type of long acting opioid, Morphine is just one of them. You need to find the one that works best with your body.

    Good luck,

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