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Is anyone else having problems with this site "hanging your computer up?" I only have this problem on this site and it has happened several times in the last few weeks.

Whenever I try to navigate from a post back to the forums my computer freezes up and I receive a message that the internet has encountered a problem. I use Windows Enternet Exporer. I have been able to exit by using Windows Task Manager but have had to hard boot a few times.

This just happened when I tried to post this response but also seems to happen when I am in a post and hit the back arrow to close it.

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The problem you are describing is one that

we have seen more and more of recently.

The problem stems from the XHTML and CSS Style coding that Spine-Health uses for its main pages.

Two years ago, we made a statement that all users should no longer user Internet Explorer Release 6. Many of the newer Web functions IE Release 6 did not support. Microsoft made a decision that provide support only on newer releases. Internet Explorer Release 7 eliminated about 90% of those problems. But as the Internet grows and Web features are enhanced, Microsoft is not the quick to stay up to speed.
I've been able to reproduce almost any problem that has been reported using IE R6 and IE R7. I have Internet Explorer Release 8 on another computer. I have not seen the same failure, however, personally, I am not thrilled with the over stability and feel if IE R8

What are your options?
Migrate to Mozilla Firefox. Mozilla support all the XHTML and CSS style pages. Basically because Firefox developers distribute upgrades multiple times a year. The upgrades are painless, requires one click and a restart of Firefox. Doing this, I can almost be 99% sure you will not see these types of problems.

But with computers you can never be 100% sure. There are way too many factors involved.
Problems could be :

Server Side Here problems with the Spine-Health server itself. These types of problem, everyone in Spine-Health will see, it would not be isolated to just a few

Network There are probably more variables in this piece than there are forums on this site. Network speed and performance can be influenced by
- Number of hops (basically different roads traffic has to take from the Spine-Health server to your computer)
- Internet Service Provider restrictions. Your ISP (ie SBC Global, Charter Communications, AOL) is your carrier to get traffic from your machine to the rest of the world and back.
- The list just goes on

Your computer Type of computer,
- Speed of computer
- Physical RAM installed
- Number of active sessions
- Connection type {Narrowband or Broadband)
- Anti Virus Programs
- Spam Protection
- Software or Hardware Firewall or Both

Sometime to test problems like this... When I click on a item in Spine-Health and it is taking a long time to complete, I click on the X or STOP key, then do a Reload/Refresh of that page.... if your screen goes completely blank and white, more than likely you have a Web browser problem, if the progress still just continues, you might just be seeing a performance problem.

Many people have written in I only see this problem with Spine-Health, not on other sites

That is most likely due to some of the coding used by Spine-Health. Remember Spine-Health is a web site much more than just a forum site. There are many other pages and functions that have to be taken into account. I know from my own experiences, we I run my own personal forum web site with just the forums, performance is almost always fine, if I start to load some additional features , I can slowly start to see it spin down.

I hope this explanation at least sheds some light on what you might be seeing. If it doesnt, re-post and lets see what we can come up with

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Foxfire

Thank you, Ron. I will switch and see if it makes a difference.

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RedHat -Fedora 11 - here -

RedHat -Fedora 11 - here - FireFox,

On my lappy - with IE6 - it hangs, but I will not upgrade it yet, I am wiping it to give to a Family member.

Cheers - David

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I am here - do I really need to explain this more!? LOL

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That is also another clean path

LINUX - The Little Pengiun....

Not to mistaken for the Little Penguin wines from Australia

Red Hat or SuSE either flavor of Linux and
Fedora or Mozilla, or just about any web browser that will run on Linux

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LOL - Love that little

LOL - Love that little clover!

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Hi - Memory on computer

I'm trying Google chrome and my internet has sped up especially playing MW on facebook. Ron I wish I knew how to understand paging file and memory. They explain it but my computer is only 22% full and it says I have too many starter programs. I tried to delete some and deleted my address and I have error on about 5x when I turn on the computer. I wish I knew about RAM and all that. Would a PC fix program you purchase be able to help this? I wish you could fix my computer.. Cheers anyways. Charry

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Any answers I have is not medical advice only a Doctor can help you with that. Just sharing my personal experience as a fellow Spine Health member only. Mild DDD of complete lumbar area with recent healing of L5-S1 HD and annular tear.Leg &foot weakness nerve compression L4-L5.Mod. disc changes C5-C7 nerve impingement sore elbow and numb hand. Sept. 2011 MRI L4-L5 disc bulge and L5 facet joint and narrowing. Meds-Oxycontin 80mg,Cymbalta,Lyrica, Flexeril,Naproxen,Serax. Platinum Infrared heating pad. ER and Oncology trained and Cardiology RN on Disability. Keep the faith.

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Hi Charry, hope you are doing better than your computer

Personal Computers used to be just that personal and almost anyone could purchase one, plug it in and off they go.
NOT ANY MORE! Hardware has become more sophisticated and cheaper but required. Thats really because of sloppy software programming. Working on my first PC, it had a 10Meg harddrive and 256K RAM. In with that computer, not only did I have all the spreadsheets and word processor programs, but it also had a terminal emulator so I could connect to our host.. And there was still Tons of room on the harddrive

As hardware became cheaper, it was easier and easier for programmers to become sloppy. So, instead of having to fit everything in less than 10meg of harddrive space and less than 256K RAM they could keep on going 500Meg, 1gig, 5gig 200gig harddrives and 512Meg RAM to 1Gig to 4 Gig and more
Its a shame but its facts of life in the computer world.

Ok, now back to what you asked. There are several purchased pieces of software that can do some of that. You might need several to do it all.

First thing you would need a program to do a system analysis and checkup . PCDoctor works fine for that.

Second then software that would go through your system registry to find errors and correct them.
A good program for that is Clean MyPC - Registry Cleaner

Then you really want to know what should be started automatically at boot time and what software services you want to run. Windows come with MSCONFIG to handle much of that. The nice thing about msconfig is that all you need to do is check or uncheck an item. This way if you do run into a problem, you can just undo what you just did.
My rule of thumb. Do not make more than 1 change at time.. Now for me, after years of working on computers, I never listen to myself, so sometimes I spend a lot of time trouble shooting.

To understand more about each service, go to the control panel > administrative tools > services.

Moving on, this is where many computer books fail.
In my computer consultant side job, I have clients with alot of experience to those with none. And size/memory/etc is difficult for them.

Some always think memory is the amount of harddrive space and size is gosh know what.

Speed = Speed of the Computer Chip. ie 1.8ghz
Memory(RAM) = Installed physical memory. In todays computers 2 to 4 gig is recommended
Harddrive space = Physical space on the installed hard drive . Today over 150 gig is recommended

My best machine at home is a Pentium IV DualCore 1.8mhz, 250 gig harddrive and 6gig RAM
My slowest machine is a Pentium IV 1.6mhz, 60 gig harddrive and 1 gig of RAM

My rule of thumb:
- Never exceed more than 60% of the hard drive capacity.
- Never exceed more than 50% of your installed RAM
The SYSTEM function of Windows Control Panel in Advanced Settings allows you to set where you want your page file to reside. The least amount of time your computer needs to page the better performance you will get. (Know the whole concept of Paging, Page faults, etc is something I need a book to explain and still then it would be in my language and probably not in any formal computer language)
However, if you do use SYSTEM Advanced to set your paging, make the MINIMUM and MAXIMUM size the same. that will prove over time to avoid additional paging. I use a software program called MEMTURBO where I can set my own variables, and allow the machine to recover (reclaim) lost page space. As your machine needs to page, those pages (part of RAM) are lost to you, until a REBOOT, or a software package (like MEMTURBO) which can reclaim that space.

Shoot, now, I dont even know if I answered any of your questions. Charry, if not, ask again, I am always glad to talk computers

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Hi and Thank you Paul and Ron

I downloaded the CCleaner and have yet to decide which applications and programs to turn off and or/delete. My Dell insispiron ? 4600 or something name is 5 years old. I also am trying google chrome which works faster for games and am trying speedfan and CNET Tech tracker to see if it helps. I wonder if I'll just get more RAM? Anyways I'll see if these help. Charry

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Any answers I have is not medical advice only a Doctor can help you with that. Just sharing my personal experience as a fellow Spine Health member only. Mild DDD of complete lumbar area with recent healing of L5-S1 HD and annular tear.Leg &foot weakness nerve compression L4-L5.Mod. disc changes C5-C7 nerve impingement sore elbow and numb hand. Sept. 2011 MRI L4-L5 disc bulge and L5 facet joint and narrowing. Meds-Oxycontin 80mg,Cymbalta,Lyrica, Flexeril,Naproxen,Serax. Platinum Infrared heating pad. ER and Oncology trained and Cardiology RN on Disability. Keep the faith.

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Charry,

RAM is so cheap today, adding 1 or 2gig would be a big boast. however (why is there always a however) if your machine is really old (>5 years) there is a good chance that you will not have the slots on the motherboard for increased RAM.
Computers are so cheap today, many times its just easily to go out and buy a new one based on the prices today.
If you want more details, message me and I would be glad to help you out in any way I can

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Dell Dimension or Inspiron ?

Charry,

If you have a Dell Dimension 4600. You can get 2Gb memory upgrade for $85. It's 2 x 1GB DIMMs. So you need 2 slots. Your computer has 4 memory slots. A friend has an older Dimension like this one. For surfing the web, doing office stuff, etc. it is just fine.

Firefox uses less memory and is more efficient than IE.

Regardless of the browser you use. Change the "internet cache" setting. By default it is set small. Your system wastes a lot of time downloading page images from sites you visit a lot. Set the cache to 1GB and it will help. For Firefox there are more tweaks but you need more memory.

Graham

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