More Search Tools: Doctors Videos
Forum Help, Troubleshooting, Suggestions
20 replies [Last post]
Z06
User offline. Last seen 6 hours 29 min ago. Offline
Joined: 06/19/2008
Posts: 1411
Points: 3010
For Sale Section

How about creating a For Sale section?
Used Medical equipment and the like.
No pills or narcotics or course.

There are lots of people on here that probably have old Tens Units, or SCS Units, Inversion Tables, Shower Chairs, Toilet Risers, Strollers, Crutches, Canes. you name it.

For some that just want to give it away or others who would like to get a little back. The buyers get a break on medical equipment that we all know is ridiculously overpriced in the first place.

What do you all think?

Graham

_____________

• The only valid excuse you have to give up is if you are dead.

dmoonchild's picture
User offline. Last seen 1 year 18 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 06/26/2008
Posts: 395
Points: 792
I have

One broken spine to sell, or rather give to anyone!

_____________

Mommy of 2 ( 4yrs & 5yr old) DDD 3 herniated disks L-3-4&5 stenosis also 4 herniated disks in thoracic, and 1 in cervical.
synovial cysts... and so on Have tried Physical Therapy, Epi Injections,Radio Feq, Denied surgery 3 times Current meds: oxycontin 40mg, topamax 50mg, Lexapro, Lunesta, klonopin

dmoonchild's picture
User offline. Last seen 1 year 18 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 06/26/2008
Posts: 395
Points: 792
Graham,

im sorry, I hope you didnt think i was being rude. That is a great idea. ive been looking for a shower seat for forever!

_____________

Mommy of 2 ( 4yrs & 5yr old) DDD 3 herniated disks L-3-4&5 stenosis also 4 herniated disks in thoracic, and 1 in cervical.
synovial cysts... and so on Have tried Physical Therapy, Epi Injections,Radio Feq, Denied surgery 3 times Current meds: oxycontin 40mg, topamax 50mg, Lexapro, Lunesta, klonopin

Aviatrix36440's picture
User offline. Last seen 2 weeks 4 days ago. Offline
Joined: 09/29/2009
Posts: 5969
Points: 12180
Z06 wrote:How about creating

Z06 wrote:
How about creating a For Sale section?
Used Medical equipment and the like.
No pills or narcotics or course.

There are lots of people on here that probably have old Tens Units, or SCS Units, Inversion Tables, Shower Chairs, Toilet Risers, Strollers, Crutches, Canes. you name it.

For some that just want to give it away or others who would like to get a little back. The buyers get a break on medical equipment that we all know is ridiculously overpriced in the first place.

What do you all think?

Graham

Howdy Graham!

I think your idea is FANTASTIC!!! Some folks get fixed and don't need many of those items. What a good way to help folks out! My vote: YES

Brenda

_____________

ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"

User offline. Last seen 6 weeks 3 days ago. Offline
Joined: 06/20/2008
Posts: 294
Points: 680
I agree

I still have a very expensive back brace ($1,500) that I am too fat for now! Also a cervical traction system that was used once or twice a few years ago.

haglandc's picture
User offline. Last seen 4 hours 35 min ago. Offline
Moderator
Joined: 06/19/2008
Posts: 5798
Points: 12810
Keep in mind

That Spine Health is privately owned and the assumed liability with allowing sales of used items without quality assurance is a mighty risky undertaking.

Since many of these items are by prescription only and paid for by your insurance company, the resale of them by private individuals is not legal.

"C"

_____________

“If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it.”

Marcus Aurelius

User offline. Last seen 6 weeks 3 days ago. Offline
Joined: 06/20/2008
Posts: 294
Points: 680
Thanks "C"

I had this same thought after I posted.

Z06
User offline. Last seen 6 hours 29 min ago. Offline
Joined: 06/19/2008
Posts: 1411
Points: 3010
Not so fast C ...

[quoute=C]
That Spine Health is privately owned and the assumed liability with allowing sales of used items without quality assurance is a mighty risky undertaking.
"C"

Not so fast there girl. There are plenty of web sites out there and they are privately owned. They have For Sale sections. They are not selling or proctoring sales. They are not responsible for the condition or the quality of the parts. It is strictly between buyer/seller. SH is not liable for the transaction. Follow the standard practice of any internet forum.

[quoute=C]

Since many of these items are by prescription only and paid for by your insurance company, the resale of them by private individuals is not legal.

"C"

Ok on this one I think I agree with you however I have never seen a legal document stating this. What do we all do with our old medical equipment? You can find it for sale on Ebay or Craigslist. The insurance company has never sent me a letter telling me to return equipment after I am healed.

Don't be so quick ro discount this idea. I wasn't thinking of turning SH into a Flee Market. It just seems like there are some on here who can't afford some basic needs. Walkers, braces, etc. Someone has one and can give it to them to help them. That goes a lot further than a 100 threads full of internet huggies... (sorry but you may have noticed i'm not the sensitive type).

There is also other equipment that I have that has nothing to do with insurance companies. I have a $350 Inversion Table I will probably never use again. It's almost brand new. I paid for it out of my pocket. So what if I want to sell it to someone for $150 so I recoup something. They get a brand new table for less than half cost. That is a clean sale. No one gets hurt.

There are a number of ways to do this without it becoming some legal nightmare for SH. Just think it through and what clear rules you would want on that section. I can provide a really good set of rules from I forum i visit and buy/sell on. No it is not Ebay. It has more to do with people who have a common interest helping each other. So we horse trade a lot.

Graham

_____________

• The only valid excuse you have to give up is if you are dead.

haglandc's picture
User offline. Last seen 4 hours 35 min ago. Offline
Moderator
Joined: 06/19/2008
Posts: 5798
Points: 12810
Just to give you an example

Just to give you an idea of why you see so many websites and businesses that sell used medical equipment. These businesses all must comply with state and federal regulations. Each state has their own permit and licensing requirements and application procedures.

If you are really interested in helping someone else by selling your used equipment, the safest way to do that would be to sell it to a licensed business. These businesses are required to verify the quality and functionality of all used equipment being sold. They are required by law to have specific training programs in place for their employees and also required by law to have specific permits under Pharmacy laws.

Just because forums and web sites do things every day, doesn't mean that it is legal or right. When it comes to medical equipment and supplies, it falls under completely different guidelines than selling automotive or craft items.

I am just trying to express how important it is to "look before you leap".

"C"

Quote:
SEC. 73-21-108. Home medical equipment; permit; regulations.

(1) Definitions. For the purposes of this section:

(a) "Home medical equipment" means technologically sophisticated medical equipment and devices usable in a home care setting, including, but not limited to:

(i ) Oxygen for human consumption, oxygen concentrators and/or oxygen delivery systems and equipment;

(ii) Ventilators;

(iii) Respiratory disease management devices;

(iv) Electronic and computer driven wheelchairs and seating systems;

(v) Apnea monitors;

(vi) Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulator (TENS) units;

(vii) Low air loss cutaneous pressure management devices;

(viii) Sequential compression devices;

(ix) Neonatal home phototherapy devices;

(x) Feeding pumps; and

(xi) Other similar equipment as defined in regulations adopted by the board.

The term "home medical equipment" does not include medical equipment used in the normal course of treating patients by hospitals, hospices, long-term care facilities or home health agencies, or medical equipment used or dispensed by health care professionals licensed by the State of Mississippi if the professional is practicing within the scope of his or her professional practice. In addition, the term does not include items such as upper and lower extremity prosthetics, canes, crutches, walkers, bathtub grab bars, standard wheelchairs, commode chairs and bath benches.

(b ) "Home medical equipment services" means the delivery, installation, maintenance, replacement, and/or instruction in the use of home medical equipment, used by a sick or disabled individual, to allow the individual to be cared for and maintained in a home or noninstitutional environment.

(c) "Medical gas" means those gases and liquid oxygen intended for human consumption.

(d) "Order" means an order issued by a licensed practitioner legally authorized to order home medical equipment and/or medical gases.

(2) Permit required. (a) No person, business or entity located in this state or outside of this state that is subject to this section shall sell, rent or provide or offer to sell, rent or provide directly to patients in this state any home medical equipment, legend devices, and/or medical gas unless such person, business or entity first obtains a Medical Equipment Supplier Permit from the board.

(b ) The permitting requirements of this section apply to all persons, companies, agencies and other business entities that are in the business of supplying home medical equipment to patients in their places of residence and that bill the patient or the patient's insurance, Medicare, Medicaid or other third party payor for the rent or sale of that equipment.

_____________

“If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it.”

Marcus Aurelius

Z06
User offline. Last seen 6 hours 29 min ago. Offline
Joined: 06/19/2008
Posts: 1411
Points: 3010
That just plain sux,,,,

Not aimed at you C. Just more gubmnt BS.

I'm not selling my old stuff to medical equipment stores. I know what they do. I've dealt with used equipment vendors over the years. They buy it for 10 cents on the dollar and sell for 50 cents on the dollar. That doesn't help the people on here who have little to no insurance. They couldn't afford that $1,500 back brace and still can't afford it at $750.

So what if we do something where you "give" or "will" away a piece of hardware? Still the same legal BS ? Just "as is, where is" ?

Boy you try to help some people out with your old equipment that just might make their recovery better. And the government helps you out, NOT ....

I'm still waiting for hope and change...

_____________

• The only valid excuse you have to give up is if you are dead.

MsHumptyDumpty's picture
User offline. Last seen 4 days 7 hours ago. Offline
Joined: 10/17/2009
Posts: 1188
Points: 2566
OR - we could have a section

OR - we could have a section called looking for or some such thing - where people post needed items and others who have the item could PM them and work it out privately Wink

example:
Does anyone know where I could find a shower chair at. I really need one to help me shower safely.

**********************

So basically it would be a resource section - which everyone knows what it really is - but it would cover the sites rear end Wink

_____________

Ms. Humpty Dumpty Took a great fall. L1-L2-L3-L4 - S1 & S2 full herniations. Spinal stenosis, spinal arthritis, degenerative disk, scoliosis. Knees, hips & spine have degenerative bone disease, arthritis and bone spurs. Age 49 - Here to find & offer support. Had bilateral knee replacement surgery done March 15th, 2011

Z06
User offline. Last seen 6 hours 29 min ago. Offline
Joined: 06/19/2008
Posts: 1411
Points: 3010
SEC. 73-21-108 and other state laws

From the exerpt you pulled:

(xi) Other similar equipment as defined in regulations adopted by the board.

The term "home medical equipment" does not include medical equipment used in the normal course of treating patients by hospitals, hospices, long-term care facilities or home health agencies, or medical equipment used or dispensed by health care professionals licensed by the State of Mississippi if the professional is practicing within the scope of his or her professional practice. In addition, the term does not include items such as upper and lower extremity prosthetics, canes, crutches, walkers, bathtub grab bars, standard wheelchairs, commode chairs and bath benches.

Also from NC state laws there is nothing prohibiting me from selling anything that i did not get with a "prescription". The above listed devices do not require a "prescription" unless you are expecting your insurance to cover it.

So I have an old set of crutches laying around I don't need. I don't think I need a trained medical license to give these away. And since we own them I see nothing that says I can't put them out in the garage sale. Anything sold "as is, where is" like this is buyer beware. A TENS unit does not require a license or script to purchase.

I also found that I can take my blood pressure unit, a tens unit, and several other devices. Drop them off at the pharmacy and they will verify they are calibrated. Worst case I give you my old TENS unit. You pay some small charge for a professional shop to verify it.

Just some more reading I was doing and ideas on this.

_____________

• The only valid excuse you have to give up is if you are dead.

dilauro's picture
User offline. Last seen 8 hours 36 min ago. Offline
System Administrator
Joined: 06/16/2008
Posts: 6486
Points: 15290
Until we get complete approval from the owners

Nothing should proceed regarding this proposal. Everyone can have their ideas of what some web sites have. But everyone needs to remember, since this is a privately owned site, they can have rules that no other private site has. It is up to the owners to decide what its best.

_____________

Ron DiLauro
Ron's Story
Suicide Hotline
Alcohol and Drug Abuse
Arthritis
_________________________________________
rdilauro@gmail.com
SH Administrators = dilauro or tamtam
SH Moderator Team =
haglandc , Numbskull , Liz, or Neck of Steel Cindy

"In his eyes we're all the same Someday we'll all have perfect wings, Don't laugh at me."
"That there's none so blind as those who will not see."

The information provided by members of Spine-Health should never be considered as formal medical advice. It is recommendations based on member's personal experiences only.
This can vary from person to person, so do not take comments as medical facts or rules

Wrambler's picture
User offline. Last seen 15 weeks 15 hours ago. Offline
Joined: 01/21/2009
Posts: 1620
Points: 3492
What?

No other communities have free or lowcost healthcare places?

We have a place that will take ANYTHING short of narcotics or pills in capsule form.

The meds must be in the original bottle with nothing defaced and not expired. Equipment should be in working order.

The clinic charges NOTHING, it is run entirely on donations and grants. They ask for patients to contribute if they can.

Ron, I hope this is not considered "proceeding".
I'm just suggesting that avenues that don't involve home healthcare businesses to make money off of us and our insurance do exist.

_____________

"I have been told my statement or statements are not logical. Would Mr. Spock ride a bicycle down a wooded mountainside when there was a perfectly good stationary bike at home?" NOTICE: Please consult a real DOCTOR before doing anything that may hurt yourself or others! Please be careful!Medtronic SCS Placed May 4, 2009. Cervical, for chronic right shoulder, upper arm pain.

dilauro's picture
User offline. Last seen 8 hours 36 min ago. Offline
System Administrator
Joined: 06/16/2008
Posts: 6486
Points: 15290
Wrambler, this is still being looked at

I hope that after my vacation a decision has been made.
But just in case:
I have for sale

1 - Slightly used PICT line.. Only used for 3 months with a severe bone infection. But I am sure that cleaning it with clorox would fix everything

2 - 1 2" diameter by 1 inch depth Eschar. This was cut out of my back after my third degree burn. I wanted to keep this for ever, but what the heck. Its black, charred but interesting

I have a lot more in stock but wanted to see if I could get some to bidders on these.

At auction, they would probably sell for $250 each, but here we might have a bargin

_____________

Ron DiLauro
Ron's Story
Suicide Hotline
Alcohol and Drug Abuse
Arthritis
_________________________________________
rdilauro@gmail.com
SH Administrators = dilauro or tamtam
SH Moderator Team =
haglandc , Numbskull , Liz, or Neck of Steel Cindy

"In his eyes we're all the same Someday we'll all have perfect wings, Don't laugh at me."
"That there's none so blind as those who will not see."

The information provided by members of Spine-Health should never be considered as formal medical advice. It is recommendations based on member's personal experiences only.
This can vary from person to person, so do not take comments as medical facts or rules

dilauro's picture
User offline. Last seen 8 hours 36 min ago. Offline
System Administrator
Joined: 06/16/2008
Posts: 6486
Points: 15290
This is what I believe was going to be the answer

And honestly I totally agree with it. Spine-Health is not the site to start doing a For Sale section.
However, I do beleive there is some merit in this.
If members want to handle this via private messages, then that is the way to go.
I am sure there are items that people would like to sell, now if there are takers, thats another question.
The idea that Graham put forward is very sound. It just does not fit into this public arena. I would encourage anyone who wants to participate in this, handle it via messages.

_____________

Ron DiLauro
Ron's Story
Suicide Hotline
Alcohol and Drug Abuse
Arthritis
_________________________________________
rdilauro@gmail.com
SH Administrators = dilauro or tamtam
SH Moderator Team =
haglandc , Numbskull , Liz, or Neck of Steel Cindy

"In his eyes we're all the same Someday we'll all have perfect wings, Don't laugh at me."
"That there's none so blind as those who will not see."

The information provided by members of Spine-Health should never be considered as formal medical advice. It is recommendations based on member's personal experiences only.
This can vary from person to person, so do not take comments as medical facts or rules

Z06
User offline. Last seen 6 hours 29 min ago. Offline
Joined: 06/19/2008
Posts: 1411
Points: 3010
Fair enough.

Ok it was just an idea. That is fair enough.

To answer Wrambler.

I never thought of this as a way for home health business to come in here and start stores. I know the potential for abuse. I've seen it on other forums.

My idea was that people on here could help each other out beyond cyber support.

The local free clinics here want money donations. In the form of checks, stocks, bonds, etc... I can't find one that wants used medical equipment. I also checked the state central organization.

The local mission wants money or basic survival goods. Like blankets, tooth brushes, etc... not a back brace.

Anything else donated to these organizations is like sending things to the Salvation Army or Goodwill. They just want items they can sell to get money to buy supplies. They like appliances and clothing, not crutches...

We donate to the rescue missions, women's shelters, salvation army, and the veterans admin every year. Both money and goods and help.

_____________

• The only valid excuse you have to give up is if you are dead.

BionicWoman's picture
User offline. Last seen 7 weeks 4 days ago. Offline
Joined: 06/21/2008
Posts: 642
Points: 1360
There's always Freecycle -

There's always Freecycle - http://www.freecycle.org

I've gotten rid of a lot of things that way.. and gotten a few useful things too!

_____________

RESPONSIBILITY, n. A detachable burden easily shifted to the shoulders of God, Fate, Fortune, Luck or one’s neighbor. In the days of astrology it was customary to unload it upon a star.

Who's online
There are currently 2 users and 285 guests online.

Online users