I have been dealing with back issues almost all my life, but its been severe for three years now. I have issues with L3 through S1, I have facet joint issues and have finally realized that a fair amount of my pain has been coming from my SI Joint.
Can any of you dealing with SI joint pain tell me a little about how this has limited you and what you have been able to do to limit your pain. What it appears that my SI joint is causing with me is, severe leg and foot pain (this is on and off, but when really bad I am not able to walk without a big limp and tons of pain). I havent been able to walk over a mile straight without horrible pain in over two years now and PT has been impossible due to it causing horrible pain flares.
I just had my second SI Joint injection yesterday and I'm hoping that this one gives me the same relief as the one I had done at the start of the summer. This first shot lasted about three months and I was able to go from most of my day in bed or in a recliner due to pain, to up and about for most of the day and able to go shopping and work minor jobs around the house, as long as I rest periodically.
What is our future with this thing? I'm sure my SI joint has been a big factor for three years now and there is no reason to think it is something that will just go away. Has anyone had anything more invasive than injections? and what do you think your problem SI Joint will mean for you in the future? Any input would be great.....ty Mitch.
Hi Neednewback, you would probably benefit from reading this thread and reading Healing Back and Joint Injuries by Dr Valdez. In it he discusses many low risk treatments, one is Prolotherapy which I'm currently having done for back and leg pain. I'm optimistic now and feel as though I will eliminate my pain totally soon. I've eliminated a lot with Prolo already.
http://www.spine-health.com/forum/lower-back-pain/do-you-get-your-sacroi...
Good Luck and if I can help more ask away!
20+ years with intermittant back and leg pain. 1 herniated, 1 annular tear and DDD.Surgery,too risky. Started Prolotherapy 4-2010, leg pain almost gone. SI joint pain gone. Use the needle, not the knife!
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Hi, Mitch I am hoping you do get relief from your recent injections. I know I am due for a new ones also. I have had the SI Joint pain for some time now and almost had surgery but was canceled last min. due to change of insurance, kinda thankful in a way. For me it has been such a struggle finding a good orthopedic Dr. that does SI Joint, I go to a big University Hospital and the Spine clinic does not do SI for some reason.
But here is what i go threw and what I have learned in my experience in searching for treatment for My SI issues. I have found that PT has helped alot and I was only going for SI Joint nothing else cause like you it was too painful. Have you done PT for only SI? I think focusing on the tendon that supports the joint was a benefit. but i would have them do the ultrasound therapy for a bit before the the active part. There is a heating pad that is like a belt that i use alot, can make it tight or lose and works wonders over a tens unit, very long cord so can be used when cooking or dishes stuff like that. I got mine for $25.00.
I have found that besides the PT and injections there is little other treatment for SI Joints. A fusion is usually the only other resort. They can do a test to see how much movement there is before surgery. I had it done its an inpatient day surgery where the Dr puts you under and moves the joint himself to see how bad the joint is. The fusion I didnt have yet was gona be done on both sides and they go from front and back on both sides and put 2 large screws is what I was suppose to have. The surgery has a long healing process like most fusions.
But as for what I feel daily and thing I have learned not to do.
I never sit on hard surface cause it causes so much pain and when sleeping always have a pillow in between knees. And leaning forward is a no no cause it moves the joint to much so I always bend a knees. When mine are inflamed it feels like bee stings and like you sitting on cement, also laying down feels like someone is sitting on you.
Things that help is having an SI belt on I can feel such a different in pain when I have mine on. and using Ice therapy works good too. When mine are tight I lay on hard floor and relax then they usually pop back into place and feels better after, mine have been popping all the time now do your pop when you walk or sit or stand As I stated before having a tens unit on and then the heating pad on tight makes it feel good too. There is so many nerves in the SI Joints that a nerve med may be good for you not sure if you take any but there is a few Lyrica is a strong one and works well, same as topamax.
I do believe that the surgical treatment for SI Joints will improve in the near future to where they are not so invasive, I am trying to hold out for as long as I can praying for new technology, I hate fusions ..
Well hope some of this may help a bit. Take care and good luck on the new injections hope they will last the 6months or so they are suppose to...
Paula
32yrs 3kids 15 spine surgeries in 4 years cervical and lumbar
Smiling every day I'm still walking
A childs love is the BEST medicine of all!!!!
Ozone, I will look into prolotherapy, it makes sense that something like this would work.
Paula, it sounds like you have a real mess with your si joint, along with other spine stuff. I'm like you in that if I sit on a hard surface, or make a movement that put stress on my si joint, the pain gets out of control. I tried the si belt once, but I have been told that I'm too big of a guy for it to really restrict my movements down to the point where it will help much. Let hope that in the near future they figure something out, other than fusing them.
Thanks again, and take care guys.
I had several sessions of prolo a few years ago, and had wonderful results. At that point, I had many areas that needed attention, so we "maxed out" on the dextrose and lidocaine to try and cut down on the visits (I live eight hours from where the treatments were done). Make sure you find someone who is very experienced, and talk with them before you commit, if you can. My first prolotherapist was fantastic, but I had someone else claim they could do it, and they used needles the size of horse needles.....I was not impressed, to say the least!
I had great improvement in my neck, SI joint area and pelvis; that was the first time in years that things started to stabilize, and I was one of the lucky ones who had some pain relief almost immediately after treatments. My SI joint pain has returned with a vengeance, so I'm considering starting treatments again to try and get it under control.
Tracy
Any information I provide is through personal experience ONLY....I am not a medical professional, though I could write a book on the impacts of chronic pain and the treatments I've tried!
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I too have suffered from SIJ pain for many years, usually having a bad episode after overdoing the raking or sweeping.
A visit to the chiro for a quick fix was all I needed.
But lately, it has changed. I now have a nagging soreness in the lower back and left SIJ area that does not get better after the chiro.
It doesn't stop me doing most things, but is especially sore when turning over in bed.
Wondering why the change, I arranged to see my physio.
After explaining it all, she had me do some tests to observe my flexibility, balance, spine curvature and so on.
She found that my lower spine was not bending at all, putting added strain on my lower back muscles.
She also found that my glutes, or butt muscles, were very weak. Normally these are used for walking, but in my case they were so weak that I was using my back muscles instead.
So the end result of these problems is that the lower spine, pelvis and associated muscles are all out of balance, which leads to my SIJ pain.
At my request she gave me some muscle strengthening exercises for the glutes, and that should see the SIJ pain disappear when the muscle strength is high enough to take over from the back muscles. As well, she gave me some spine bending routines. I'll report back in a month for a review.
She explained to me that the SIJ is a very firmly secured joint,quite difficult to move at all, and in my case at least is not responsible for the pain there.
So....anyone with SIJ pain would appear to be well advised to query their muscle strength in the glutes, as weak muscles may also be the cause of their SIJ pain.
Hi Peter, that's good info! Did the Physio also test your hamstrings? If they're tight they can cause backpain. Do you get a lot of clicking or popping sounds out of the SI area?
It's good that you've found someone who evaluated your strength because there are some doctors who wouldn't do that and yet treat someone with drugs for the problem.
Good luck.
20+ years with intermittant back and leg pain. 1 herniated, 1 annular tear and DDD.Surgery,too risky. Started Prolotherapy 4-2010, leg pain almost gone. SI joint pain gone. Use the needle, not the knife!
Traditional Medicine! What's that?
Not the hamstrings specifically, but the tests she did would have revealed my very limited range of bending in general.
I don't hear any noises at all, I just have a constant ache and soreness.
Hopefully my strengthening routines will stabilise it soon.
Funny, I have been able to get rid of my chronic headaches with strong doses of magnesium oil and Vit D, then the SJI's became sore.
Anyway, I've still been able to cut my paid meds by 50%.
Yes, doctors seem to see treatment only in respect of what drugs can be tried.
Unfortunately, as you will see in this forum, this attitude has been picked up by many patients who also totally ignore diet, dietary deficiencies, muscle weakness and imbalance, and soft tissue trauma in general.
Magnesium deficiency, for instance, is estimated to be in the region of 80% in the US, so the chances are that you are in that category.
Yet the simple fix of using magnesium, a well known and proven one, is treated with disdain as it is not a drug.
Always remember, it took the medical profession 100 years to accept that sterilising instruments between patients stopped infections from spreading. And that included just washing hands!!!
We must be related, you think like I do:) I've been big on Vitamin D for a few years now. Most people are deficient in it also and the "medical aristicracy" isn't as interested in it as they should be. And as you probably know there is a coorelation between low levels of D and joint pain. Magnesium is also important as you state.
If you were getting the usual noises in the SI area I would say check out Prolo but you say you don't get noises, plus the pain is constant which is usually not an indication of ligament trouble.
But if all else fails and you're still not well,you could run it by a doctor who treats backpain with Prolo.
Fish Oil is also helpful for backpain but it takes several months for the benefit to be seen. There is a former surgeon that worked for the Pittsburgh Steelers who gave up doing back surgeries because of the failure rate and now treats with fish oil. If you google on something like " Steelers Surgeon Fish Oil" you could probably find his website.
Good Luck
20+ years with intermittant back and leg pain. 1 herniated, 1 annular tear and DDD.Surgery,too risky. Started Prolotherapy 4-2010, leg pain almost gone. SI joint pain gone. Use the needle, not the knife!
Traditional Medicine! What's that?
I agree. I'm now taking 6 fish oils a day. GP said you need 6 to lower cholesterol.
Apparently Vit D is good for any pain.
Following a nerve block to the SI joint on both the right and left sides, a diagnosis of SI joint dysfunction was made in my case. The nerve block only worked for maybe 20-30 days. This was then followed by radio-frequency denervation of the nerves running through the SI joint. So they basically use a heating/cooling machine to prevent the nerves from being able to send pain signals to the brain. I have had 2 of these. The first one lasted about one year, the second procedure I had done about 2 years ago and have not yet needed a repeat. The eventual return of at least some pain is due to the fact that the nerves tend to regenerate. I have also been involved in physical therapy and am religious about doing my home exercise program. This is because, the RFA does not fix the underlying problem. It just gets you out of pain. For me, this gave me my life back. I would recommend asking your doctor about this. Best of luck to you!
I checked it out at youtube, it's some sort of manipulation that a PT does. I didn't watch much of it but I generally give manipulation a thumbs up.
Most people on this board are against manipulation so don't expect many positive replies.
20+ years with intermittant back and leg pain. 1 herniated, 1 annular tear and DDD.Surgery,too risky. Started Prolotherapy 4-2010, leg pain almost gone. SI joint pain gone. Use the needle, not the knife!
Traditional Medicine! What's that?
My PT is doing on my si and hips
I'm not sure that this is a valid observation; perhaps it's because the 'no' people shout the loudest to make their point. I always get the feeling that these negative comments come from people who don't know what they are talking about.
For me, manipulation from chiropractors and physios has been a life-long vital treatment for my lower back and pelvis. Without it I would be unable to live as I do, and would be house-bound and crippled.
Doctors don't know how to fix lower back problems, no-one does really, so you have to take charge and try different things, hoping that you will strike it lucky.
My new exercises to strengthen my glute muscles is working and my SI pain is largely gone.
My GP would have suggested only anti-inflammatories and pain meds, treating the symptoms and not the cause.
I went to a physio and asked specifically for home exercises for this problem.
I'm not sure that this is a valid observation; perhaps it's because the 'no' people shout the loudest to make their point. I always get the feeling that these negative comments come from people who don't know what they are talking about.
For me, manipulation from chiropractors and physios has been a life-long vital treatment for my lower back and pelvis. Without it I would be unable to live as I do, and would be house-bound and crippled.
Doctors don't know how to fix lower back problems, no-one does really, so you have to take charge and try different things, hoping that you will strike it lucky.
My new exercises to strengthen my glute muscles is working and my SI pain is largely gone.
My GP would have suggested only anti-inflammatories and pain meds, treating the symptoms and not the cause.
I went to a physio and asked specifically for home exercises for this problem.
The pt I am gone to is at a knee hip and joint surary center at a major hospital and said they have helped a lot of people that anything else would they do pt and
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