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Coming Soon to the U.S.A ? "quality of motion"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01pVGz4fW3g&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Estenu...

Everyone should see this...

As I try my best to hold off from spinal fusion even though I can not lay in bed and wait much longer..Im waiting on these new disc even though i have facet OA. These M6 look so good even if I cant get one or two over here in the U.S.A.. I hope its an option for someone else or any of my spine health friends..

http://www.spinalkinetics.com/links.html

^ they even have a link to Spine Health on there page!

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C2-3: Mild right facet joint degenerative changes and right neuroforaminal stenosis.
C3-4: Minimal diffuse discosteophyte bulge and mild central cananl stenosis.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.
Diffuse discosteophyte bulge and uncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis-the discosteophyte bulge mildly flattens the ventral surface of the spinal cord. Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left.

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The reason I posted this..

Turbodog wrote:
It's been 7 months since my ADR surgery in Germnay it's winter here Reno/Tahoe and i have been hitting the slopes hard. "I'M BACK" droping 25' cliffs on 55deg slopes I had some really good wipeouts at Christmas I did a head plant earning me 7 stitches in my lip. What I realize is that my implants are very durable " They can take a licking" I still feel great I'm ready for more. If I had been fused my head would have broken off. On another note the FDA is clueless they are broken like the rest of our government. I'm presently in the appeals proccess with my insurance to be reimbursed for my out of pocket expence of the surgery.I'll keep posting any questions please feel free to contact me.

Hello I was asked some questions.Answers:

(1) My disc are the Spinal Kinetics M6

(2) I had levels c5-c6 c6-c7 replaced (2)

(3) Regarding the fusion option they wanted to fuse c6-c7 c5-c6 and c4-c5 the reason the U.S. docs wanted to include c4-c5 aswell is becouse of the added stress of fusion. The German docs felt that c4-c5 level was not in bad enough shape to replace with a Adisc.

(4) The cost was 27,000eu included everything and hotelsI just had to pay for flights extra.If I had the fusion option here in the U.S. it was estimated around $150.000.00 GO FIGURE

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C2-3: Mild right facet joint degenerative changes and right neuroforaminal stenosis.
C3-4: Minimal diffuse discosteophyte bulge and mild central cananl stenosis.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.
Diffuse discosteophyte bulge and uncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis-the discosteophyte bulge mildly flattens the ventral surface of the spinal cord. Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left.

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Does anyone know this guy Turbodog?

Does anyone know this guy Turbodog ? I sent him a PM today..

I almost feel like his story is to good to be True..Can one of the mods tell me if he is still an active member of this board ? I dont want to get false hope..It says he was on the slopes on 25' cliffs and took a head plant..really? I cant believe that...

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C2-3: Mild right facet joint degenerative changes and right neuroforaminal stenosis.
C3-4: Minimal diffuse discosteophyte bulge and mild central cananl stenosis.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.
Diffuse discosteophyte bulge and uncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis-the discosteophyte bulge mildly flattens the ventral surface of the spinal cord. Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left.

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If he is for real ....

I am jelious! .... oh to be so young and stupid again!

My doc says i shouldn't even ride a motorcycle anymore. Sad

D

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If you want more ... Expect less.

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to good to good to be true...

Metalneck wrote:
I am jelious! ....
D

Im also Jealous this almost sounds to good to be true...

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C2-3: Mild right facet joint degenerative changes and right neuroforaminal stenosis.
C3-4: Minimal diffuse discosteophyte bulge and mild central cananl stenosis.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.
Diffuse discosteophyte bulge and uncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis-the discosteophyte bulge mildly flattens the ventral surface of the spinal cord. Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left.

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FDA Trial Article.

FDA Trial Article..

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/99707.php

The M6 artificial disc represents the company's first non-fusion, motion preservation products to treat degenerative diseases of the spine. The M6 is an advanced generation artificial disc developed to replace an intervertebral disc damaged by cervical disc degeneration. It is the only artificial disc that replicates the anatomic structure of a natural disc by incorporating an artificial nucleus and annulus. Together, the artificial nucleus and annulus are designed to provide the same motion characteristics of a natural disc. The M6's compressible polymer nucleus is designed to simulate the function of the native nucleus, while the surrounding multi-layer high tensile strength fiber annulus is intended to facilitate a controlled range of motion in multiple directions. The M6 artificial disc is implanted with proprietary surgical instrumentation. This specialized system was designed with surgeon feedback and is intended for simple, safe, and reproducible M6 implantation. "We are extremely pleased with our recent FDA approval to move forward with the M6 feasibility trial, as well as completion of our first U.S. implantation by Dr. Lauryssen and his team at Olympia," says Tom Afzal, Spinal Kinetics President and CEO. "The M6 artificial cervical disc represents our initial commitment as an organization to provide both physicians and patients alike the most innovative motion preservation technologies for treating degenerative diseases of the spine."

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C2-3: Mild right facet joint degenerative changes and right neuroforaminal stenosis.
C3-4: Minimal diffuse discosteophyte bulge and mild central cananl stenosis.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.
Diffuse discosteophyte bulge and uncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis-the discosteophyte bulge mildly flattens the ventral surface of the spinal cord. Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left.

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Keep in mind ....

That these are rarely indicated for multi-level DDD.

Single or Doubles only at best. Not FDA approved yet ..... and just now starting clinical trails? I believe that they have been doing them in Europe for several years with sucsess.

Good luck trying to get insurance to pay for it for many years to come.

I think that there are several positive stories on the forum about there use ... but it is limited.

I fear that it not a viable solution for many of us, or those that are currently facing procedures for more advanced disease states.

Hope is a good thing - false hope can be dangerous,

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Metalneck wrote:
That these are rarely indicated for multi-level DDD.

Single or Doubles only at best. Not FDA approved yet ..... and just now starting clinical trails? I believe that they have been doing them in Europe for several years with sucsess.

Good luck trying to get insurance to pay for it for many years to come.

I think that there are several positive stories on the forum about there use ... but it is limited.

Hope is a good thing - false hope can be dangerous,

D

I get mad/sad because I feel everyone should get the chance to have this technology...all the negative fusion stuff on spine health makes me real nervous...Honestly the thought of someone fusing my neck together just makes no sense to me.

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C2-3: Mild right facet joint degenerative changes and right neuroforaminal stenosis.
C3-4: Minimal diffuse discosteophyte bulge and mild central cananl stenosis.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.
Diffuse discosteophyte bulge and uncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis-the discosteophyte bulge mildly flattens the ventral surface of the spinal cord. Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left.

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I hate the insurance co

Applause Update: I gave up on trying to convince my insurance co that reimbursing me for my adr sugery was the right thing. However the the out of pocket money i spent was totally worth it. 11 months post op i feel golden. I even took up telli sking this spring and got a lot of sick back country shots. Tride white water kayaking on the 4th pretty cool. The m6 has given my neck a second chance to play and continue to work hard. Thanks Call Me

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I must keep reminding myself....

Thou shalt not covet, thou shalt not covet.....

Just learned I'm in need of an ADR. Doc prefers to NOT do a fusion due to a high potential of future problems.
If I choose to do the surgery, I'm hoping and praying insurance will cover the costs for me.

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DDD, Large herniated disk @ C4-5 with a 5mm osteophyte on the right side causing right foraminal stenosis, cord compression evident. Bi-lateral foraminal stenosis @ C5-C6 with no herniation or cord compression.
ACDF @ C4-C5 on September 16, 2009

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I found some more people that got this disc at 2 levels and said it was the "Smartest thing i ever did!"

http://www.adrsupport.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10184

and another 2 level

http://www.adrsupport.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10115

read for yourselves...

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C2-3: Mild right facet joint degenerative changes and right neuroforaminal stenosis.
C3-4: Minimal diffuse discosteophyte bulge and mild central cananl stenosis.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.
Diffuse discosteophyte bulge and uncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis-the discosteophyte bulge mildly flattens the ventral surface of the spinal cord. Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left.

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So is the Stenum Hospital

So is the Stenum Hospital only for multi-level ADR's or is it the only place where I can get the M6 right now? And if I want to go there I have to pay entirely out of pocket?

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From what I have read ADR is

From what I have read ADR is much better than ACDF, however, it seems like people only are wanting the M6 disc..is this a correct assumption? Does the next oldest implant not produce favorable results?

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^

Ever since i read what bobblehead posted in this thread about the prestige disc (which my nero offered me) it made me really think...

http://www.spine-health.com/forum/neck-pain-cervical/just-had-artificial...

But I have thought many, many times that I'd like to exchange my Prestige disc for anything -- a mini Slinky would give me more of a cushion, right? I want shock absorbers! My spine is different -- it has a stainless steel hinge, and although it's supposed to be healthier than a fusion, it's not the same as having a squishy disc. I suppose I'll never be the same, and I have to figure out how to live with it. I'm ok 70 percent of the time. But for someone who used to be really active, 70 percent doesn't quite cut it.Every time I feel the pressure of steel on bone, I remind myself that I need to retrain my body and how I move.

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C2-3: Mild right facet joint degenerative changes and right neuroforaminal stenosis.
C3-4: Minimal diffuse discosteophyte bulge and mild central cananl stenosis.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.
Diffuse discosteophyte bulge and uncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis-the discosteophyte bulge mildly flattens the ventral surface of the spinal cord. Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left.

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http://www.abvlp.com/news.html

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C2-3: Mild right facet joint degenerative changes and right neuroforaminal stenosis.
C3-4: Minimal diffuse discosteophyte bulge and mild central cananl stenosis.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.
Diffuse discosteophyte bulge and uncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis-the discosteophyte bulge mildly flattens the ventral surface of the spinal cord. Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left.

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