Pain Medication and the DEA

Pain Medication and the DEA

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Pain Medication and the DEA

We live in a very sad country, not only can't people afford or get medical care but even if they do get insurance doesn't mean they will get treatment. Now the DEA is in on health Care if a Doctor prescribes certain legal pain pills more then the DEA likes he can get 30 years for and it has happend. I suffer from back problems for the last 26 years of my life. I have had back fusions, bone graffs ect. The onley Thing That helps is a Strong pain Medication and getting that in todays world is like pulling teeth.
Pain Medication is onley a problem if abused just like drinking. if you have a glass of wine a day it.s ok if you drink 3 bottles you have a problem. Most people who need Pain meds never become addictid but you onley here about the few that due. And now the rest of us suffer. As for the DEA why don't you go win the real war on drugs, what is this the onley fight you can win?..

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Stonecold

Your post borders on the line of being inappropriate.
I would suggest reading the forum rules before posting.

Your statements appear to come from various articles, which do emphasize some problems.

There is so much more valid and good actions going on daily between Doctors, DEA, Pharmacy and so much more.

The one statement you made which is correct,

stonecold1rob wrote:

Pain Medication is only a problem if abused just like drinking.

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I have to agree myself - I see nothing inapproriate

For instance, where I live, there is only one place that does pain mgmt and you are pretty much at their mercy. No regular primary doctors around here will touch a pain patient and that is a fact. I had quite a battle with my pain mgmt doctor to finally get her to start giving me what I needed to manage my pain and I find it ridiculous. The DEA in my opinion is also ridiculous. They are sticking their noses in where they don’t belong.
An example is I have a sister in law who has been charged in 3 states with prescription fraud, a total of 84 times now in the state of Utah. She ran to Vegas, living in every town between here and there and racked up numerous SAME charges in each place. She finally got caught (3 years later) (and she was on the run because she had been caught here, that is why she moved to begin with and skipped her court dates) so they extradite her to every town all the way back, she goes to the jail, pays bail, and some even let her out on her own recognicense or whatever that is, then once she gets back here, she racks up another 48 counts of prescription fraud (in a month) and NOTHING HAPPENS! She misses her court dates with some lame excuse why she can’t make it – her lawyer covers her and when she finally went to court after about 6 missed dates - she paid a small fine because she is poor and can’t afford much. Are you kidding me? Government at it’s finest. She can’t be extradited back to Nevada on all those charges, so she now lives here to continue doing the same thing over and over and over. This has been going on for 10 years at least! She put her 74 year old mother into bankruptcy stealing from her and of course her mother is an idiot and lets it ride, which has nothing to do with this but – this woman has stolen from other family members, broke in, taken checkbooks, personal items to sell, you name it – nothing ever happens! She has stolen over 50,000 from brothers, cousins and other family and we all know it. She went to court over one of them and even tho the cousin had a video of her taking his checkbook out of his jacket (because he KNEW she was crawling thru his doggie door doing that) it was dismissed. If the DEA is so worried about drugs – they need to be going after people like her. They don’t care if people are dying from drug overdoses – this is nothing more than the Government wanting more control! Why aren’t they going after dealers on the streets, etc. People that get pain meds for pain do not sell them on the street corner – it’s ridiculous. I could walk down the street right now where I work and buy anything I wanted in 5 different places if I wanted it. THOSE are the people the DEA should be concerned with; not doctors and pain patients. There are probably far more pain patients blowing their brains out over lack of pain control than idiots killing themselves with drug overdoses. I’ve known several on both sides of that fence. Personally, I have little sympathy for druggies anyway, they are the ones that make doctors leery about pain patients that are legitimate. It is no different than “gun control”. The people that want guns are always going to find a way to get them – period. The government isn’t going to stop that anymore than they are going to stop addicts from using.

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why did that offend you?

When the DEA makes Dr. not want to prescribe pain medication to patients with no abuse problems and a long history of pain and suffering I see that as a problem. I will read your rules. because I don't want to be kicked from this sight. But once again sounds like a little piece of freedom gone. Freedom of Speech. If I offended any one sorry for that.Some of what I wrote comes from 26 years of pain. I have not needed pain medication for 26 years just on and off in that time and it is way more difficult to get the right pain meds today then yesterday. and yes a lot of that is the war on drugs. Fact.

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Couple of Points

1 - DEA does NOT force Doctors into any situation regarding prescriptions. All that is being done by the DEA and many times by Insurance companies is that Doctors need to be able to justify writing various scripts.

2 - Forum Rules. Every member needs to read the rules here to avoid posting something that can be deleted or result in being banned from the site.

3 - Freedom of Speech. When it comes to privately owned online forums, this is always subject to forum rules and Administrator/Owners review. So, bottom line, no you can not post anything you want.

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Last time I saw my Pain Doc, she told me!

We had a discussion about ME being 8 short on my last pill count. I told her, it has rained non-stop and blah, blah, blah and I can’t just quit my life and commitments. She said, she does not think by any means I’m an addict but she does believe I way over do it and then take an extra pill or a half (which is the case) to compensate for the ungodly pain. She is correct and I told her so. She also said that the DEA IS breathing down their necks to justify every prescription and if there is anything amiss she could be in big trouble as well as the entire staff/office etc. The DEA IS sticking their noses where they don’t belong. The war on drugs is NOT with pain patients – period!

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Marrion

Mouse wrote:
There are probably far more pain patients blowing their brains out over lack of pain control than idiots killing themselves with drug overdoses.

A chilling but stark reality of the entire situation.

Well said.

"C"

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The DEA should be involved in

to help eliminate some of the prescription abuses that plague us today.

The DEA is not trying to STOP Doctors from prescribing narcotics, they just want to make sure it is being done for the right reason.

In this area, we had one doctor that if you told him your finger nail hurt, he would easily right you a prescription for 100 Tylox! He did not have to answer to anyone and that is drug abuse coming from the doctor.

That was over 10 years ago, if the same thing happened today, the doctor would hesitate before writing any narcotic prescription. They would have to make sure it is want is warranted in the patients situation.

So, I am very happy that the DEA is trying to control this. If they didnt, in a very short times things would get out of control and THEN the government would really need to clamp down.

I am all for tougher controls for writing prescriptions for narcotics. I only want to see that the scripts are being written for the right patient and for the right reason.

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Mouse (not verified)
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I guess we'll agree to disagree then.

I think the DEA is barking up the wrong tree and has no business sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. Governement control - that is the last thing we need. I see firsthand how it works.

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DEA

As a medical professional I can tell you it's all about who you are. If the DEA would go after the right people and doctors it wouldn't be a problem but all they do is make it harder for people who do need valid pain control. The war on drugs is a joke. And we all know it. If people want drugs , they will get them. I say like alcohol, anything can be abused. Let's go after the billions and billions in Medicare fraud that is going on, coming from your taxpayer dollars. People with chronic pain have enough to deal with !

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Thank You Low-n-Slow!

Agree wholeheartedly!

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