Lots of pain, but MRI showed normal

Lots of pain, but MRI showed normal

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MikeN
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Lots of pain, but MRI showed normal

I had a MRI done last week and it came back not really showing anything, says the doc. I also received a copy on disc from the place that did it for me, I think I can maybe see little something bulging, but, I am nowhere near a medical professional!
So, anyhow, I am feeling a lot of the same pains that I did before my surgery on C6 and 7 last summer/fall! My neck grinds really loud when I turn my head form side to side, and I no that isn't always a culprit. But it didn't do that before I fell. My shoulder muscles are extremely sore and tight, going right up the back of my head and down the middle of my back between the shoulder blades. Getting quite a bit of radiating pain down both arms, sometimes alternating. And last but certainly not least, HEADACHE!
Right after I fell, I had a xray done by the surgeon of the fusion, and that looked good he said!
Is it possible for some of this to come from the thoracic spine? I'm wondering if maybe we are looking in the wrong spot.

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This sounds really similar to

This sounds really similar to what my case was, minus the previous surgery part. My imaging showed only minor bulging at the level associated with my pain distribution but my symptoms were indicative of something worse. I finally got an EMG that showed denervation of the C8 nerve and after that a surgeon was willing to operate. I just had my surgery done yesterday, and he discovered when he went in that my nerve was trapped between bone even though this was never seen on an image.

I had four MRIs, various Xrays, CT scans, etc. Not once did it show what the problem was. If it weren't for that EMG and the surgeon willing to go in based on the image of the mild disc bulge and the EMG results...who knows, I could've been stuck dealing with that pain forever. The first surgeon I saw actually told me that a surgeon would be crazy to cut me and I'd be crazy to let them (that was before the EMG, but still the point is he obviously wasn't listening to how badly my life was affected or trying to do further testing.)

So I guess what I'm trying to say is, see more than one doctor, don't let one's opinion or way of looking at your case be the final say.

Microlaminectomy and discectomy at C7-T1 on April 26th.

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I think it's too often image

I think it's too often image used just simply not good enough to show everything they need to see ,
In this day and age you would think with all 3D images and so on there would be better view of the nerves, condition of the nerves and every aspect to find the direct problem,

You always hear well we come a long way with treatment and cure and different approach to resolving spine issues along with other issues, with new surgery and such,
I don't see that in my personal opinion,

I see things have got so crazy expensive MRI Emg mylogram and so on and still they sometimes see nothing,
Use of hardware with fusion after disc is removed when 30 years ago disc was removed without use of hardware ,

When you mention this they say its not even possible to remove disc and not put in hardware when I know many old timers who had it done and had good results in previous years and had no problems for many many years as more bad outcomes have happened while using hardware,

So how have we come a long way if the image used is worthless, But makes them a hell of a lot of money,
ADR artificial disc replacement is new in the United States while its been used for probably over 30 or 40 years in Europa ,

Anything new dont seem to even be a better then the old way as its a guessing game and realy does make you wonder is it all about the money when not all that much has changed with spine solutions when no film or image tells them this is where the problem is,

We advanced in many other things brain surgery is 1 of them but spine being the main cause in America of people not being able to work and ending up on disability , How hard are they working on finding a better way to find our problems,

I read and spoke to many doctors and they know MRI is no way 100% but they work with what is provided to them even if it means not being able to treat what they can't see,

And they can't simply open everyone up and look around for something knowing the risk with every surgery,
In my view there is no excuse for this in today's world,

Lets just send another person through the good old trusty old MRI see what turns up,

At around 1200 bucks or 2000 dollars per MRI hell its a money maker , Even if it shows nothing ,

Go to the dealer hey my car running real bad it keeps stalling out and can't stop the car as breaks don't work,
Ok we put it on our MRI tester and it says its fine, That will be 1200.00 plus tax please , But its still screwed up and don't work, Sir the MRI don't lie now pay up mr before I call security !

Flexicore ADR 2004 resulting nerve damage l4l5 Fusion 2006 same level, 2009 hardware removal with lami !
2012 scs implant ,

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I Wish

alexhurting wrote:
I think it's too often image used just simply not good enough to show everything they need to see ,
In this day and age you would think with all 3D images and so on there would be better view of the nerves, condition of the nerves and every aspect to find the direct problem,

You always hear well we come a long way with treatment and cure and different approach to resolving spine issues along with other issues, with new surgery and such,
I don't see that in my personal opinion,

I see things have got so crazy expensive MRI Emg mylogram and so on and still they sometimes see nothing,
Use of hardware with fusion after disc is removed when 30 years ago disc was removed without use of hardware ,

When you mention this they say its not even possible to remove disc and not put in hardware when I know many old timers who had it done and had good results in previous years and had no problems for many many years as more bad outcomes have happened while using hardware,

So how have we come a long way if the image used is worthless, But makes them a hell of a lot of money,
ADR artificial disc replacement is new in the United States while its been used for probably over 30 or 40 years in Europa ,

Anything new dont seem to even be a better then the old way as its a guessing game and realy does make you wonder is it all about the money when not all that much has changed with spine solutions when no film or image tells them this is where the problem is,

We advanced in many other things brain surgery is 1 of them but spine being the main cause in America of people not being able to work and ending up on disability , How hard are they working on finding a better way to find our problems,

I read and spoke to many doctors and they know MRI is no way 100% but they work with what is provided to them even if it means not being able to treat what they can't see,

And they can't simply open everyone up and look around for something knowing the risk with every surgery,
In my view there is no excuse for this in today's world,

Lets just send another person through the good old trusty old MRI see what turns up,

At around 1200 bucks or 2000 dollars per MRI hell its a money maker , Even if it shows nothing ,

Go to the dealer hey my car running real bad it keeps stalling out and can't stop the car as breaks don't work,
Ok we put it on our MRI tester and it says its fine, That will be 1200.00 plus tax please , But its still screwed up and don't work, Sir the MRI don't lie now pay up mr before I call security !

I sure wish you could come to my Dr's apt with me...lol

Mother of three amazing boys who wants her life back, suffering from chronic neck/shoulder pain for 9 months.

MikeN
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Amen!

LOL Cali! I would love to bring someone who really likes to speak bluntly! I do speak my mind, but usually in a "too nice" manner!
Well, part of me thinks, this happened at work, it happened when I fell down some icy stairs salting after an ice storm. And they didn't look too damn hard! I know what my body is telling me! It hurts! I can handle quite a bit of pain for a while, but this is getting pretty miserable! And it shouldn't feel like this, still after 4 months!
Either way, I see the surgeon on Tuesday, not so much to schedule anything. Him and his nurse are great people, very helpful, and when I spoke to his nurse, she said just come in and they will look at the CD I got of MRI and do another with contrast if needed. I like the idea of getting a EMG done also, just so they can tell that the nerves are on overdrive!
It did make me think though, at the office where I had my surgery done, they showed in a display case, all the new technology of artificial disc's very proudly, why wasn't it even offered?

C-6/7 fused. Sever lumbar and cervical degeneration.

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Something to consider

I am wondering, when I am at work, for the first 45 minutes or so, I'm pretty slow and sore, but it seems that once I am on a roll, I feel pretty good and can keep working hard! Then I take a break and I am just beat! Then the cycle starts over again. 40-45 minutes and I'm good for a while. Now, sitting at the computer, it takes effort to lift my arm to the keyboard!
In the past, I was tested for carpal tunnel, and I had very, very minimal symptoms. It seems in the past few months, it is terrible. No grip in the hands what so ever, my wrist hurt like an ice pick is being jabbed into them also.
I don't know, I feel like I shouldn't complain! I know some folks are in much more pain than I! I get frustrated, I have been dealing with chronic low back pain for 15 years, and the neck is just the "icing on the cake"!

C-6/7 fused. Sever lumbar and cervical degeneration.

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to MikeN

You mentioned than you couldn't use your hands very well. My dad was the same way and it turned out that it came from his neck being bad. Not saying that that is what is yours is from, just thought I would let you know Smile

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Trip to ER today

Probably not neck related, but, was getting ready to take the dog on a walk, so doing a little stretching out before hand. Go to get up and everything was fuzzy! Felt like I was blacking out or about to pass out! Both legs went numb from the knees down, and still are a little bit. Got a little bit freaked out, but tried to ride it out for about an hour and said screw it. Got in the truck and drove up to the hospital. Still feels like I have some brain fog going on too! Tuesday cannot come fast enough! Not sure it the fuzzy head was from the neck at the same time as the legs, cause I know right now, my arm and shoulder are burning and feels like an ice pick in my neck! Thankfully my wife can get me to see the humor in almost anything, call me a hot mess! LOL!

C-6/7 fused. Sever lumbar and cervical degeneration.