Sorry if this topic has been covered before, but nothing came up in a search.
has anyone used an ecig. to quit? It's basically a nicotinne delivery syslem that looks like and feels like a real cigarette. It even emits "smoke" which is really water vaper.
No tobacco, no second-hand smoke, no smell of smoking on you. when I have my ACDF, I plan to take them with me.
It could be compared to the patch or nicotine gum. No harmful side effects to the smoker or those around them.
Sept 24, '07 L3-5 spinal fusion after trying every conservative measure available.
Diagnosed gastric and esophageal ulcers w/ metaplasia. 8/09
Diagnosed severe depressive & anxiety disorder 10/09

I used the plastic ones too. My ones only had nicotine cartridges which delivered the addictive part straight to your body, in its pure form! However it seems I foolishly preferred the non-addictive, non-pure, grotty chemical components a little too much, because I returned to cigarettes, after being off them for an entire 3 days (without withdrawal effects) !
Last time I really gave up, I was 23 (now over 50). I gave up for 13 months and was doing well except for piling on the pounds which didn't really bother me. Sadly I'd made a pact with my sister to stop and when I discovered she'd returned to smoking, so did I. I know - - - stupid!
Sorry I veered off there - back to your post. I've used them whilst in hospital too and they're absolutely excellent. If I'd had a good-enough reason to stay off cigarettes and stick to the plastic sort, I could have done it and so wish I had now. Anyway, you already have the right mental approach, so all that remains is to wish you the best in your upcoming surgery.
Good luck!
Val
I don't know much about the e cigs but you may find some info at this web site - it is a FREE supportive forums for people quitting and has a LOT of info.
http://www.quitnet.com/
Ms. Humpty Dumpty Took a great fall. L1-L2-L3-L4 - S1 & S2 full herniations. Spinal stenosis, spinal arthritis, degenerative disk, scoliosis. Knees, hips & spine have degenerative bone disease, arthritis and bone spurs. Age 49 - Here to find & offer support. Had bilateral knee replacement surgery done March 15th, 2011
I am planning on buying the "Marlboro" flavored "E Cigarette" after talking with a co-worker who loves em! You can "smoke" anywhere, and they aren't illegal anywhere. Granted you still get nicotine (the bad for fusion as we all know), but just think, better lungs, no smell, cost less in the long run, and for some, they can quit! I just wish I could try one first so I would know if I would like them or not taste wise.
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
I too had heard of these e cigs. But since they are delivering straight nicotine, I ruled them out. I knew with my fusion, nicotine is the truly bad chemical. So I used chantix and quit all together. Will be 8 weeks this Thursday. I am so darn proud of quitting LOL. I hope any of these options help you eventually quit nicotine completely.
Traci
Due to recent cutbacks and until further notice, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.
Trasee
wonderful for you that kicked the dirty little bugger 
Ms. Humpty Dumpty Took a great fall. L1-L2-L3-L4 - S1 & S2 full herniations. Spinal stenosis, spinal arthritis, degenerative disk, scoliosis. Knees, hips & spine have degenerative bone disease, arthritis and bone spurs. Age 49 - Here to find & offer support. Had bilateral knee replacement surgery done March 15th, 2011
To all UK patients, the cigarettes which deliver pure nicotine are free on the NHS. They don't seem to broadcast it in our area - I wonder why?!?!
Some guy was at a friends party. He had several of the "flavors" that they had at the time. They look cool, it is water vapor for the smoke, you don't 2nd hand smoke anyone else. All that is good.
As Traci pointed out. They deliver NICOTINE. What part of this is confusing people? It doesn't help fusing. Some of you are posting about using this stuff, or patches, and the like. AND post you are not fusing properly. Why bother getting surgery? Just smoke more and kill yourself faster. Saves money in the long run. Surgery is expensive...
You all are screwing your own selves over having fusions and taking the big risk with nicotine. Come on people. Smarten up. You can stop. I did. Others did. Short of playing Russian roulette I'm not sure you could be doing anything worse to yourself. Do you hate yourselves or your families that much? You can kill yourself in a much shorter and less painful way. I can post a list if you would like.
Sorry. This whole topic seems to be getting sensitive with me lately. I better shutup now.
Graham
• The only valid excuse you have to give up is if you are dead.
Graham,
Can't argue with ya man! But I have seen folks quit at work because even though with this you still have "nicotine" (and yeah - not good for fusion) they were soooooo happy with the other health (for the positive) changes - they were able to quit! Even easier than with the gum and such.
Are you an "ex" smoker? Some of those that quit are the more vocal?
I still think this 'e-cigarette' has its place. Yep, no question, nicotine is still there...but the possibilities to quit are better. Remember darlin - and we have chatted a BUNCH in chat, posts and PMs....baby steps can be GOOD!!!
See ya man!!!
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
Yeah Brenda I am an ex-smoker. And you know we are the worst you have to deal with, And the mot vocal and proactive on this board about stopping. I'm hoping enough of our generation smartens up so that our kids generation has it all but wiped out. A lofty goal maybe...
If you are using it as a tool to help you quit then more power to you. If it is simply a substitute to get around the legal issues of smoking in public. Smoking at businesses or restaurants etc. Then it really isn't helping. It most certainly takes away the carcinogens from the smoke being inhaled. Almost like using snuff or something.
The thing is the tar and carcinogens in cigarettes is not the addictive part. It is the nicotine. Getting that under control is how you stop. You can do it,
I'm a believer in Chantix because it worked for me and many others I know. I went a year after the first attempt with it. Then had a relapse and started. Due to pressure in my life that I let control me. Getting that back under control and 2-3 weeks of Chantix and stopped again. I *think* I am finally done with this habit. But... like all drug habits. You are an addict for life. So everyday you don't smoke is a good day. That is how I look at it. I most certainly do not have unrealistic views of just how strong an addiction it is. It is a real fight.
Again. I may have been over the top with that post. But it got some peoples attention. That was the intent. If I didn't care I wouldn't even post.
Graham
• The only valid excuse you have to give up is if you are dead.
Howdy my friend!!!!
Outburst, no I don't think you were out of line or rude or anything! I could tell you were an ex smoker, nothing wrong with that. Before my co-worker "quit" thanks to these, I too though of getting them for smoking in non smoking areas!
After he used these (and I forgot how long he did btw) he quit and "never looked back" as they say. I quit once years ago and had people (who smoked still) ask me why I didn't harp on them. Simple, you're and adult, it is your decision to smoke or not. I too (at that time) was okay around people who smoked. I didn't feel the need to smoke.
Well..why did I start again? Stress. I had 3 good friends die in the space of two weeks, and it was my stress reliever. I figure it was safer than crawling in a bottle eh? I also have (soon to be had) a stressful job. Lose 15 illegals to the ocean - men, women, children...very hard on the brain and heart. Once I get out and retired, I think I am going to change a LOT of things. Stress is the kicker for me right now - and the "e ciggies" might be a part of that bridge to start.
I fully respect your feelings Graham. I don't think it your post bothered anyone. On this site, folks will let you know if they think you "crossed the line."
Luv ya man!!! Keep your passion!!!
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
I only posted my success with chantix for quitting because of the nicotine chemical. Of course, we all know its's bad for fusion. I am soooooooo stubborn and once I made up my mind to do it, there was no way I wasn't going to quit. This surgery and pain after has been unbearable at times, and I could have smoked a carton of cigarettes. But why go thru all of this and harm myself more or have a failure rate of 70% for fusion pts. SO NO I am not a former smoker out to convert the world or get ya to drink the kool-aid. i just wanted you guys that are struggling to know what worked for me.
And best of luck, amd even if you can cut back the amount you're smoking, you will be doing your body a favor.
Hugs
Due to recent cutbacks and until further notice, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.
Howdy, not mad or anything. I think it is great that you were able to quit. Excellent actually! I just did order some "E-Cigarettes" online. I do realize and agree that nicotine isn't good for a fusion, but all the other stuff with cigarettes isn't good for the body overall. These (low level) might actually make it easier for me to quit. We had 3 guys at work quit with "e-cigs" so I figure, Chantix didn't work for me (allergic - swelling), so this might work. Lungs will like it better, that's for sure! Take care.
Congrats again on your success!!!
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
I hope it works for you Brenda. Hopefully in short order.
Kinda funny but their sales might go up considerably from NC residents. The state has now outlawed smoking in public places as of 1/1/2010. So restaurants and bars are now off limits. Only a cigar bar was allowed to keep it since that is their only reason for being open.
Causes a lot of political noise here since this is/was a major tobacco growing area.
• The only valid excuse you have to give up is if you are dead.
Graham,
Thanks much for the encouragement.
We haven't been able to light up in *most* public places for a few years now. Granted the weather is better, so smoking "outside" isn't so bad, but there was some adjusting folks had to do. There are very few places I have been that I couldn't get up and scoot outside for a "ciggie".. Cigar bars, yeah same here. A "regular" bar, if no more than 10% of their food is sold on a regular basis, then the bar is allowed to allow smoking.
We had the same "screaming" and adjusting here. I don't know if many switched to E-Cigarettes or not, I haven't personally seen any except for my co-workers! There might have been some around, but since they act like a "real" cigarette, I might not have noticed is all. Thanks again Graham, I hope the same! *HUG*
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
So how are the e cigs working for you? Do you like them? Which company did you order from? I'm restarting using them, to cut back on regular smokes with the goal of using only them, then ultimately none at all.
Hope all is well!
Sept 24, '07 L3-5 spinal fusion after trying every conservative measure available.
Diagnosed gastric and esophageal ulcers w/ metaplasia. 8/09
Diagnosed severe depressive & anxiety disorder 10/09
Howdy Karen,
I just sent you a PM with the company info for where I got mine. Their website is very clear, and easy to navigate. I had my order in 3 days!
The taste is a bit different, but not 'bad tasting' overall. The initial $$ outlay is high, but you will see that the 'refills' are way lower than even a few packs of smokes. Hope that helps.
Doing pretty good, thanks! I hope you too are doing well. Take care Karen. *HUG*
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
Have been using my ecig for some time and i love it. I am on the medium nicotine liquid. More later
ACDF In 2010 for C 4/5 and 5/6 disk herniations, DDD, Stenosis.
I am not a fusion patient! But I did just order the best rated ecig on the net. Sure there is nicotine but no tar, no carcinogens and no second hand smoke!
My mother has smoked for more than 60 years and has tried everything to quit. I know that these will actually work for her since you can step down on the nicotine as you go and you still get to puff and hold the ecig. The addiction and habit are both addressed and I think they are an outstanding option to quit smoking.
I am in no way associated with the medical field. Anything that I post comes from personal experience only.
DDD, Facet Arthropathy, DJD,Collapsed Disc, Sleep Apnea
PT, Epidurals, Facet Blocks,Medial Branch Block, Rhizotomy,Discogram,Annular Tare L3/L4 Endoscopic MicroD and PLDD,
Methadone, Percocet, Baclofen, Welbutrin
JJ,
The company I originally got my eCigarette from had a fathers day special - free. I got one so I had an extra, plus couldn't beat the price! Sadly, since I've been retired, I haven't used it. I have to get my butt in gear again and start using it - I did feel better using it! Thanks for the mental refresh!!!
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
I've gone 21 days without a cigarette since my surgery on Nov 3. i cut back alot the week before surgery. I had a friend come in town to visit and she had an ecig. I ordered one the next day. I ordered 0mg of nicotine. I want to quit not replace how I was getting nicotine minus the carcinogens. I was a ultra light menthol girl. I miss the hand to mouth and sometimes I do have a craving. But this ecig is doing it for me!
Surgery 11-3-10
c5-6 6-7 ACDF autograft
Congratulations!! Nodding, I do think the mechanical aspects (having something in our hands, motion of bringing the ciggie up to puff) has a lot to do with it. My dad quit back in the 70's with sunflower seeds of all things! He would put the still in the shell seed between his fingers, his thumb would wiggle it, tap it etc., just like a ciggie. He would also take it up to his mouth like a cigarette once in a while, then when done, he would eat the sunflower seed.
Odd, but it worked for him - so your going for 0mg is your sunflower seed! Again, good for you, good going!!
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
I tried chantix and I had a horrible reaction to it. Big boils on my skin. I quit once before and did it cold turkey, stopped for 3 years till my husband died unexpectantly in a car accident and I started back up. It's been three years now and time to quit again. I'm gonna try the patches first and use them to step down. It worked for many people I know. If it doesn't work, I'm going for the ecigs . Wish me luck!
Take care -
Dina
PLIF L-4/L-5 ,Screw loose and failed fusion- 360 two level fusion with rev l-4/s-1- Spinal cord stimulator
meds : Opana ER, opana IR, Celebrex, hctz, lexapro
Dina! I am also going to try the patch...going to buy some tonight. My hubby quit 2 days ago, so it is now my turn to follow suit. All the best to everyone. I am awaiting a fusion, so need to quit now.
Karen
back injury May 2010
DDD,abutment both l5 nerve roots and s1 nerve root.herniated disc L5/S1 bulging discs L3-L5,osteophytes,degenerative facets,stenosis and coccydynia
discectomy/laminectomy L4/L5 L5/S1 July 2011- unsuccessful
having ADR L5/S1 February 2012
I spoke with our sales rep for the e cigs and he said they are getting ready to launch rechargeable ones as well as ones that taper down in nicotine. So once you have the basic cigarette and recharger, all you have to do is buy the refill.
“If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it.”
Marcus Aurelius
The E-cig I bought almost a year ago has a recharging adapter. Kind of cute too, in charge mode, it looks like a lit cigarette!
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
I just ordered the ecigs on line myself.I am in hopes of quitting reg cigs too.I don't want to smoke in places I can't anyway w/ reg cigs, I have to quit! c My last surgery was a hernia repair for 2nd time.They said my blood pressure shot up and once they got that down, my breathing was awful.I was told when I awoke that if I didn't start breathing better within a few minutes I would be put on a respirator to breath for me.I was scared of that and it made me think real hard. My insurance won't pay for Chantix again.I tried once, quit for a year and bam, like most, stress started me back smoking.That's what I have to learn to control.(stress)Sorry so long a post.I am gonna try and make the e cigs work for quitting!good luck to all*
P.S. I ordered the trial,they called 2day and should be here in a few days
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never, ever give up.....ddd,chronic low back pain,(tear in annulus of S1),L5-L4 L4-L3 bone spurs with bulging disc,Fusion recommended,2007(not done),.Been thru tons of p.t. and treatments.Spinal Cord Stimulator with (T7 laminectomy Aug 2008, done in 2nd surgery to correct placement) Now on pain meds,Fentanyl Patch & oxycodone asked for reduction in meds due to obstruction of small intestine but....never ever give up!
are great, ive had mine for about 3 yrs, the initial outlay is dear, but after that the replacements parts are not too expensive.
the thing with the ecig is it closely mimicks real smoking, so it really helps with the psychology aspect, you feel like your smoking
now you can start off with the nicotine and work down to nil nicotine
i have a USB battery charger and have one on charge and one in my ecig
i am doing this to try help my lungs
check out the various online sites as prices vary
dina, i do wish you luck with it, if the patches dont help, do try the ecig
mia, that must have been scary, re, nearly on the ventalator
how many cigs do you smoke per day?
good luck with the ecig
flower
it's funny how people ASSUME that ECIGS are NOT NICOTINE FREE. They are if you CHOOSE 0mg of Nicotine! I chose 0 nic because I'd already gotten it out of my system because of my surgery and the first 5 days of being in LaLa land. I didnt have the gumption to get up and go outside and light one up. They work to quit smoking real cigs that have carcinogens and 1000's of other chemicals. If anyone reading this would like to know more about electronic cigarettes/personal vaporizers . Just google this: Electronic cigarette formum, the biggest forum will come up in your search...people are on that site from all over the world. Huge community of peeps going with the Personal Vaporizers...as they like to call them because of the negative connotation of using cigarette.
I don't think I will ever ever pick up a cigarette again. And I can't believe I spent over 40k on my habit over 30 years.

Surgery 11-3-10
c5-6 6-7 ACDF autograft
I just got my e-cigs a couple weeks ago. While I have not quit yet, I have cut back by over half. I got 2 batteries, the charger, 10 of the tips, and 50ml of the fluid to refill with for $68 (including shipping). I am one of those people that love smoking, this is the one way I can see myself quitting.
Good on ya! Are ya going to try to wean yourself off the nicotine? Or continue to vape with nic? You'll get off the analogs soon enough. good luck
Surgery 11-3-10
c5-6 6-7 ACDF autograft
and turns out it isn't free! LOL I am a fool...150. big ones they wanted from me!I know, the initial layout but i cant do that right now.I sadly packaged everything back up to send back to the company....clove cigars are wicked!LOL not gonna smoke anything, i have to breath and i can't.rambling,sorry good luck to all....
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never, ever give up.....ddd,chronic low back pain,(tear in annulus of S1),L5-L4 L4-L3 bone spurs with bulging disc,Fusion recommended,2007(not done),.Been thru tons of p.t. and treatments.Spinal Cord Stimulator with (T7 laminectomy Aug 2008, done in 2nd surgery to correct placement) Now on pain meds,Fentanyl Patch & oxycodone asked for reduction in meds due to obstruction of small intestine but....never ever give up!
Sorry you happened upon a scam. There are some out there. My blu said I could return the product within 30 days and get money back. I didnt have to return the product. Don't give up, check out the e cig forums, people there will give you insight to the best products.
Surgery 11-3-10
c5-6 6-7 ACDF autograft
cgm, I am not sure about quitting the nicotine. I did order diffetent levels of it to take me down. I have to say that I love my nicotine, so at this point my goal is to move to the e-cigs (which is healthier) and then try to reduce the nicotine. Being able to inhale, and blow out smoke with the e-cis is helping me A LOT! So who knows what will happen! Thanks for the support, I need it.
I'm not so sure we "love" our nicotine per say, but we ENJOY smoking!! I know, hell, we all know, it is bad for us, but we LIKE it. Now I have to admit, ecigs, and I use it here and there, but it is the smoking we enjoy, plan and simple. Yes, nicotine addiction is there, the the "pleasure" sensor is there too!!
I know smoking is NOT good for me, but I will admit, I ENJOY it darn it!! (G) Makes it sooooo hard to kick!!
Sorry, being honest!!!
Brenda
ACDF C5/6 2/08 - C6/7 8/09 - Neuropathy right arm and both legs - Cervical Myelopathy
10-11-11 PCF C4-T2 - C4-C7 Lamies; Surgery #2 Emergent removal large Hematoma!
L2/3/4 & L5/S1 fusions and Laminectomy on hold till neck fused.
For the full "Cliff Notes" please click my name!
"Life can knock us down, but we can choose whether or not to get up!!"
Hi Mia, Snookie...hope yall are both doing well. Aviatrix....I miss smoking the real thing some days. I got rid of the two cartons that were in the fridge 2 days ago...I kept two packs...I've no clue why, but I did. I hope to never be lacking in empathy for those who are trying to quit, or those who smoke.I know a lot of people who have quit that preach about quitting to others. They say ex-smokers are the worse about that. I don't think I can ever really call myself an exsmoker. I would have never in a million years thought I would be saying to myself "ughghhhhg PeeeUuuuuuu" when i get a whiff of a smoker....I just smell it now. I smelled like shit lol....who knew. My H is in awe(in a good way/proud of me) but thinks I will some day light up again especially if I'm around other smokers. Last night...I actually had a dream about smoking. I was just a happy camper smoking away. Anyway, I'm rattling on now so I'll say bye for now!
Surgery 11-3-10
c5-6 6-7 ACDF autograft
Hello everyone,
I was a traditional tobacco cigarette smoker, but I was trying to quit from a long time suffering due to their ill effects. Though, this addiction is very difficult to quit as quitting suddenly creates unaccepted changes in body and so I was searching a way to quit without any hassle.
Then, I got electronic cigarette that is an alternate to real cigarettes and they do not harm like the real one because they are free from harmful chemicals and provide the same sensation and taste. I am really enjoying it and I think this is the only smoking products that do not harm and provide you with a satisfaction. They also help reduce the addiction of inhaling high nicotine doses as it can be controlled by the user because e cigarettes are available in different nicotine strengths.
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Some times before I have heard about E-cigarettes. Many people smokers even say the e-cigarettes can help people break the smoking habit but many are aware of it. but at many places it is banned. Now also there are a big confusion whether it is good or not.
As compare to gum and patch e-cigs is much effective because the quantity of tobacco in e-cigs is less and by use of e-cigs you can quit your smoking habit too. In addition e-cigs is smokeless and ash less.
The other good thing about e-cigs is that you take a puff as and when you feel the need, whereas with the real thing you smoke a whole cigarette.
I cold turkeyed my way to success (desperation not heroism!) but a good friend of mine is having great success with the e-cig. He says he can really control how much he "smokes" by setting targets for the number of puffs he takes and when he is going to take them. He has already reduced the nicotine level in his replacement cartridges and plans to do so again next time he orders some.
Mick
2003 - t5/6 herniation - thoracotomy and excision - fused using piece of rib.