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Is it true that CAFFEINE can inhibit fusion? (m)..



  • Tonya,

    I was actually taking most of those supplements before my surgery. I only added in the Citrical with Bone Density Builder post-op. The MSM and omega-3 are both good for connective tissues, and the other supplements provide a good amount of calcium, Vitamin D and other bone and tissue building nutrients. Like I said, I still have an occasional cup of coffee and I definitely haven't cut out all salt, sugar, alcohol and red meat! I think the key is moderation.

    I wouldn't be able to tell you what the perfect diet or supplements are for bone fusion. Our bodies are so complex and there's so much interaction between chemicals undergoing metabolism, that it's hard to predict the outcome of supplementation in any individual. For example, you can't absorb calcium without Vitamin D, and too much magnesium will interfere with calcium absorption (or too much calcium will result in a magnesium deficit). So we could potentially throw off our "balance of nutrients" if we over supplement the wrong things. Now we add in the affects of sugar, caffeine, salt, red meat etc. and it gets really crazy. Even the scientific community can't agree.

    I was on the Nutrisystem diet before surgery and decided to stay on it post op (once I could eat solid food again). It includes a well balanced diet of nutrisystem meals, fresh fruits, vegetables and dairy so I feel really good that I'm getting proper nutrition. Also, the nutrisystem meals are high in soy-based protein, so it helps me avoid that red meat thing. BTW, I lost 11 pounds before surgery and 3 pounds since!

    I just think eating a good, balanced diet is most important. Trying to sift through all the info available on-line can drive you nuts. There's 1,000's of opinions and studies out there about what helps and what doesn't. I'm just trying to keep it simple and use common sense. The "simple" part seemed to work when I broke my wrist several years ago. I just ate a normal balanced diet and drank "bone healing" teas with calcium, vitamin D, etc. I had my cast off and was rowing rafts with a light wrist brace in 7 weeks. Maybe I just heal fast.

    I have my 1st post-op check and rads on December 11, so I guess I'll find out then if my current regimen has helped bone growth and healing.

    BTW, as for what foods that are high in the nutrients that may help with bone healing, I just did a web search for "bone healing" and got a couple sites that had good lists of foods to eat and foods to avoid (according to the authors opinion, that is).

    Happy fusion!
  • I guess I just need to sit down with pen and paper and decide the nutrients that I receive with my regular diet and then maybe figure out what's lacking. I know it is crazy out there and everyone seems to have an opinion of what I should and should not take. Everyone but me it seems have come up with their regime but I really need to. Just so you know prior to surgery I weighed 96 lbs.(Don't be concerned I've never been more than 100 lbs unless I was pregnant and am of small stature. I also also have a very high metabolism rate evidently.) since sugery I barely weigh 90 so right now I'm focused on getting my appetite back to eating properly because we DO know that is important to our overall health. I've actually thought about the Nutri System diet because it offers a balanced diet daily and I could at least get started again on proper nutrition. I won't however attend any weight watchers meetings because I think I might get some really funny looks. :)
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  • My apologies. I know we kind of got off topic. Your question sounded simple enough to answer though. But you've generated some very enlighteninng conversations.
  • Maybe you didn't notice the part where I said there is no definitive evidence on either side of the fence. Multiple times.

    Not sure how much clearer I could have made myself.

    Thanks for the attitude, though. It's been a whole 24 hours since someone has given me one.
  • I too am a "lightweight" and think my some dietary issues aren't helping my less than optimum fusion - in my case when I finish work I am in so much pain I just want to get home & lie flat & don't really care to stop to get food, or once I am home and lie down I don't feel like walking to the kitchen. I have had some weight gain from Lyrica in the past and even more know from amitryptiline, and they are both non-narcotic options for helping nerve pain you might want to consider if weight gain is a goal. I also keep strawberry Boost around, peanut butter crackers, and my new favorite is Kellogg's "protein water" in Mixed Berry - 5 gr of protein and yum!
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  • previously when this came up and his answer to ME was to ignore the rumours, drink my coffee and enjoy it.
    He said he looks after the cycling team who do the 'Tour De France' and they live on coffee. If it was robbing them of necessary nutrients they wouldn't go near it.

    So I have been making my coffee and drinking it too. :))(

    Blessings Sara O:)
  • First Cali-Sue, You might be glad to know that a cup of tea is good for bone health.
    Sarah, I'm not sure they mean a gallon of tea is good for you but I'll have to check that out. Maybe you're getting more benefit than all of us! :)
    Optimist: I'm glad you like your Kellogg's Protein water. I got to be a part of the consumer panel who helped to develop that line of products. I get paid for it and have fun doing it. I LOVE their new cereal bars and my kids and I have finally found that we've found a box of bars we can all share.
    Angelback Thanks for reassuring us coffee drinkers that they are all going to be ok and can still enjoy our morning java.
    Rivertime is right. Our bodies are complex. Everything in moderation and taking care of our overall health should supercede whether or not a cup of coffee is going to keep us from fusing. Angelback thanks for that comment I was afraid some new person reading this might think coffee was completely bad for them if they read just one post so I'm glad you came along and cleared it up and Rivertime explained to us all how common sense should work. Sometimes common sense can just go right out the window when we are focused on something as serious as fusion.
    Thanks again to you guys!
  • I think the everything in moderation rule coming out here!

    If you are eating a good, wholesome and balanced diet then no need to go mad in any particular area, surely.

    We each know where our diets are naughty and where common sense prevails.

    Back to the caffine - I was told
    "Your doctors will tell you very clearly what you are NOT allowed to do" but since you raised the question ask them, settled your mind.

    Another idea came out here and that was something to do with fizzy drinks. I can't remember exacttly what it was but that was another query arealike the coffee. I never found a definitive answer so applied common sense!
  • Hi again Tonya:

    I was also going to say "everything in moderation". Some caffeine is probably OK, a lot is probably not, in my opinion.

    Another point I was going to make is that older women should be getting bone density testing done every 2 years. I just had one and it came back normal.

    I mentioned earlier that I take Caltrate calcium supplements. I also am on the small side, 110 pounds. I do consume some caffeine AND I fused in 6 weeks. You can take what you will from these facts. FYI, I am 58 years old.

  • I don't think a gallon a day is good for me either. Now that cold weather is here..I'll switch over to hot tea and that at least comes decaffeinated. I did buy a good calcium supplement while I was out today. I take a one a day vitamin but checked the percentages today and seen that it was only 20% of the RDA. This post made me more aware of the need for calcium..not just as I fuse but for overall bone health. Thanks CindyLou >:D<
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