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cops in n carolina want list of pain patients

terror8396tterror8396 Posts: 1,832
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:47 AM in Chronic Pain
i just read an artice on the drudge report where cops in north carolina want access to records of patients on narcotics. they said it will help control abuse. once again we are at the mercy of the powers to be. pain advocates are upset because it will open up drug records to police and not doctors or pharmacies like are able to now. i don't see this happening but if one state wants to do this then another will want to. once again, today's drudge report on line has the story. if you find it read it. it is an eye opener.
I have 4 fusions from L5-3, the latest last May '12 where they fixed my disc that broke.They went through my side this time. I take 40 mg of oxycontin 4x a day and 4 fenatyl lollipops 300 micro gms 4x a day.


  • i am so happy to be living in the UK ..as if you need any more aggravation .,.by the way how are you doing these days ?
  • like my grandmother used to say i feel like a baby treats a diaper. back is getting worse and i am going to have injections next month. still have to work to keep money and insurance coming in, wife has been out of work for a year. it is depressing. thanks for asking
    here is the report from drudge
    Sheriffs in North Carolina want access to state computer records identifying anyone with prescriptions for powerful painkillers and other controlled substances.

    The state sheriff's association pushed the idea Tuesday, saying the move would help them make drug arrests and curb a growing problem of prescription drug abuse. But patient advocates say opening up people's medicine cabinets to law enforcement would deal a devastating blow to privacy rights.

    Allowing sheriffs' offices and other law enforcement officials to use the state's computerized list would vastly widen the circle of people with access to information on prescriptions written for millions of people. As it stands now, doctors and pharmacists are the main users.

    Nearly 30 percent of state residents received at least one prescription for a controlled substance, anything from Ambien to OxyContin, in the first six months of this year, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services. Nearly 2.5 million people filled prescriptions in that time for more than 375 million doses. The database has about 53.5 million prescriptions in it.

    Sheriffs made their pitch Tuesday to a legislative health care committee looking for ways to confront prescription drug abuse. Local sheriffs said that more people in their counties die of accidental overdoses than from homicides.

    For years, sheriffs have been trying to convince legislators that the state's prescription records should be open to them.

    "We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.

    Others say opening up patients' medicine cabinets to law enforcement is a terrible idea.

    "I am very concerned about the potential privacy issues for people with pain," said Candy Pitcher of Cary, who volunteers for the nonprofit American Pain Foundation. "I don't feel that I should have to sign away my privacy rights just because I take an opioid under doctor's care." Pitcher is receiving treatment for a broken back.

    The ACLU opposed a bill in 2007 that would have opened the list to law enforcement officials, said ACLU lobbyist Sarah Preston. The organization would likely object to the new proposal.

    "What really did concern us is the privacy aspect," she said. Opening the record to more users could deter someone from getting necessary medicine because of the fear that others would find out, she said, "particularly in small towns where everybody knows everybody."

    The state started collecting the information in 2007 to help doctors identify patients who go from doctor to doctor looking for prescription drugs they may not need, and to keep pharmacists from supplying patients with too many pills. But only about 20 percent of the state's doctors have registered to use the information, and only 10 percent of the pharmacies are registered.

    Many chain pharmacies aren't connected to the Internet, said Andy Ellen, a lobbyist for the N.C. Retail Merchants Association. Pharmacy computers work on closed systems so they won't be vulnerable to viruses that could slow or crash their networks. Pharmacies are trying to figure out a way around that obstacle to the controlled-substance prescriptions list, he said.

    Bettie Blanchard, a woman from Dare County whose adult son is recovering from addiction to prescription drugs, said doctors should be required to consult the list when prescribing controlled substances.

    She also wants doctors to get more education on prescribing narcotics. Doctors should be required to tell patients that the medicine they are being prescribed can be addictive, she said.

    William Bronson, who works in a drug control unit at DHHS, presented what could be a compromise to the sheriffs' request - allowing local drug investigators to request information related to ongoing investigations, but not let them go in to the computer records themselves.

    Eddie Caldwell, lobbyist for the N.C. Sheriff's Association, said the level of access to the data is up for discussion.

    "There's a middle ground where the sheriffs and their personnel working on these drug abuse cases get the information they need in a way that protects the privacy of that information," he said. "No one wants every officer in the state to be able to log on and look it up."

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    Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/09/08/669723/lists-of-pain-pillpatients-sought.html#ixzz0z9Gj8ud9
    I have 4 fusions from L5-3, the latest last May '12 where they fixed my disc that broke.They went through my side this time. I take 40 mg of oxycontin 4x a day and 4 fenatyl lollipops 300 micro gms 4x a day.
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  • Boo that! Another thing is that if "everyone" in a small town knew someone had powerful painkillers in their home, they may become a target. I can't imagine this could pass as a law.

    During a party we were having, i caught my bosses' wife in my bottle of percocet. Up until then they had no idea I was taking them. Things got messy after that.

  • Jon,

    That very subject was headline news yesterday on TV and I listened to some great arguments why it will never fly and the number one reason is the 4th amendment. They also showed those facts and data are skewed they are using.

    But I don't look for that to pass, if it does headed to the higher courts.
  • Terror,

    After coming from a career in Law Enforcement, I don't see this going very far. That is WAAAAYYYY to much of a reach from Big Brother without probable cause. Like Tamtam said, more than likely, if they try to push this, it will go to a higher court, and it WILL be squashed. My 2 cents. :)

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
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  • remember. there are judges who rule against the vote of the people. we vote on something and then a judge will rule against it as unconstitutional. we had a vote a few years ago against illegal aliens receiving benefits in california and it was voted on by a wide margin of the people who agreed with the law, and it was ruled against by a judge. happens all the time. i guess judges know better than us. just remember the aclu gets involved in things all the time also. they will make things difficult and too expensive to go to court.
    I have 4 fusions from L5-3, the latest last May '12 where they fixed my disc that broke.They went through my side this time. I take 40 mg of oxycontin 4x a day and 4 fenatyl lollipops 300 micro gms 4x a day.
  • Jon,

    I fully agree. It's pretty darn frustrating when that happens as "we the people" then feel our vote was worthless. Now if it's a Constitutional issue, can't argue to much. With the info they are trying to get, I don't see that applying. Hopefully it doesn't go through.

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • I'm with brenda. I have law enforcement in my blood also.
    But the law enforcement community is really pushing it.
    Like we are gonna give them access to all of our medical records.

    Sounds just like these people who want to ban owning firearms.

    No more owning a firearm. OK all you bad guys turn your guns in.
    Like thats gonna happen! =))
  • I don't understand how this could be legal- what about HIPAA? A lot of local law enforcement agencies think they should have access to information that they just don't have a right to. I am fairly certain this would go to appeals court and be found very illegal.
  • It shouldn't matter anyway. We should all have that little label on our little brown bottles with our name on it and with an I. D.there should be no problem. The law can do a chemical test on them
    I can just see it now, the officer goes home tells his wife "hey honey guess who I caught today and with blah blah drugs. Naw, thatcant happen.
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