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cops in n carolina want list of pain patients



  • the only North Carolinian here?? This makes me so irritated!
  • I've said this before... there is already a list in each state, it has to do with Medicaid payments, access is limited and HIPPA is enforced. There is absolutely no reason that any local law enforcement agency should have access to such a list, sorry for those of you out there that were in the force before, but there are plenty of ways to find out about drugs without having a guided list of names of people that ARE following the law.

    Want to cut drug abuse? Jail doctors that write out bogus scripts for $$. All doctors Should be checking the list on file for scripts that their patients are already taking (since everyone isn't so above board on the reporting angle) There are lots of ways to look at this problem, I just don't happen to think that this is a good way of doing so.

    I have a standing joke with the pharmacist where I pick up my called in scripts... it goes something like this- You know... I can go outside the door and get crack in theless time than it takes me to get my claritinD... a legal substance by the way.

    If it's such an issue, maybe law inforcement should focus more attention on it... you know, the ones breaking the laws... not the ones following it.

    Sure, I know the story... they can check the list and see if it's legal, bah blah blah... but they can do that already within the confines of the laws they have in place-after all, if it has been stolen... it won't be in their name, duh. Too simple, possibly... but what use do they really think they'll get out of putting everyone's business out there? and you know that's exactly what will happen.... especially in small towns where everyone thinks they're already entitled to know all your business anyway ;p

    I have no real objection to letting the drug addicts drop... really, I don't. Worse than pretty much any criminal, a druggie is truly a fiend... preying on the old, the sick and those unable to protect themselves. More protection for those that are using legally and less for those under the spell and we'll all be better off.
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  • It is not a matter of wether it is right or wrong it is a matter of constitutional law. The ones using it illegal or not the ones that will show up on the reports. I truly don't believe all those illegal drugs on the streets that ppl can by from drug dealers came out of a doctors office. There is a issue in the supply chain that we never hear about. The drug companies have big bucks to sweep it under the rug and blow it off to the doctors.

    Realistically how many people in your own life do you know partaking in criminal activities. I myself don't know any, if i did they would know me to long. Doctors spend all them years getting the education going through brutal training and then the amount on the streets do you really think that comes from the doctors scripts? I sure don't. Even if you took 10% of all the doctors and said they were doing it the numbers don't match the supply on the street. So my point is the doctors and the patients getting this stuff the real way are not the answer to the problem. You need to find the supply of it and cut it off. Going after individual people is walking all over the rights to privacy. That will never fly, it is a matter of law not what people want.
  • You are correct. I was a federal leo, and we didn't need patient lists with their meds - doctors records and pharmacy records. More so when 'alarms' came up - no browsing, and probable cause with a warrant was and still is required. :)

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • Tamtam, I wish I could tell you that it was so, but it isn't. There are more than enough "docs" out there willing to put any number of drugs out on the street.... a lot of the protocols we have in place now came out of people copying and stealing script pads, but also from doctors that would write you a script for a price... most of those probably had problems of their own.

    When I was a kid we lived across the street from the methadone clinic... to this day I can't look at a mini carton of oj without gagging. I also have little, no, make that no respect for the common druggie. They are wily, smarter than you can imagine considering they're burning through brain cells at an alarming rate... and there are always more to replace the ones you get rid of.

    Back to protocols- most of the back end of the drug markets are pretty well regulated. Bar scanning, checking, spot checks, "surprise" audits... is there room for stuff to get out there? Of course there is... as long as there is a dollar to bribe with, there will be someone willing to take it and look the other way.... it's just the way it is. Not for you, not for me... but for what seems like an awful lot of people.

    In a perfect world, they'll come up with a device that is implanted with an earing punch... meds will be scanned and added based on your scripts... of course then we'd have to worry that there will be people willing to cut them out of folks to get at the drugs enclosed :(
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  • Why would anyone be concerned? I have no doubt that law enforcement would easily be able to tell which people need the medication and which don't. All you need is a list of people who have legally purchased the medication right? They have all the tools to break down the doors, cuff em, and even shoot if they feel like it. If only the list..... Then we'd have all those bad drug users off the streets for sure...
    I have an idea! Why not just move all controlled substances to the police station. They can all act as pharmacists and when we hand over our prescription they can just arrest us on the spot! I'd run for office but it might look bad when I get thrown in jail the first week in office.
    I hope everyone is in as sarcastic a mood as I am tonight. I would like to say that I hope the person that suggested this ends up with chronic pain and in need of these medications but I DON'T! I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

    Best Wishes to all my spiney / pain friends.
  • The problem is that it starts out with only the best intentions... I'm sure someone thought that if they knew who in their town was "allowed" to have the drugss, they could handle those that weren't...

    Unfortunately, by the time a group of people get done with it, the rest of us look at the idea as one from a police state (pardon the pun).

    Knowing what I do from both my upbringing and my job, I can't imagine someone taking something that they don't "need". but thats' me... one of the few left from my neighborhood, in my age group. Not an exageration or a boast... just a sad statement of fact. Drugs, alcohol and poor romantic choices (one guy got thrown out a 2nd story window when his girls' hubby came home... it didn't kill him, but he was a shooter and was gone pretty early anyway ) poor friendship choices over all.... and they're gone.

    Like you, I don't wish the types of pain felt by folks here on anyone... at least, not long term ... maybe a day or so when they come up with an idea that goes so far out there.... :(
    I'm not perfect after all...
  • When you see people arrested on the news, how many times do their friends and loved ones say "Wow, I never would have believed it of him. He seemed like such an upstanding guy." Most people THINK they don't know any lawbreakers, but that doesn't mean they really don't, in terms of the extended circle of acquaintances.

    One of the cases locally of a doctor that was arrested was a man that was active in his church and many people came forward even after his arrest (which included people saying that he was well known as the "go-to" doctor for meds) to say that they were sure someone must have set him up, as a god-fearing man such as him couldn't have done something like that.

    So, indeed, the unlikeliest people get involved in illegal drug trafficking or even drug use themselvesn (I've read several MEDSCAPE articles about drug use in the medical community that are pretty horrifying). Sad but true.

    I'm glad to hear that HIPAA holds, I can't imagine why police would need access to medical records without probable cause.

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