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Surgery ???



  • blazer... make room on that boat for me too!

    I am also facing another surgery due to non union, I am only 8 months out from original stand alone un plated ALIF.

    Ok, so I am in the mist of a crash course in non unions, I want to share what I've learned.

    First, the ct scan is as good as it gets for determining fusion status. Please also ask your surgeon to take plain film ext/flex (if you haven't had recently) as this is a good way to determine if there is any micro motion / instability in the segment.

    I just learned via ct scan & xrays that I have significant motion at my surgical level. This instability is causing me pain both in legs & back. I also am not fusing, I have fibrous (scar) tissue growing where the bone should be.

    I have been offered a surgical fix 2 out 2 surgeons. For ME it appears that another surgery is the only way to fix the problem.

    While I am contemplating my next move, do surgery now, or wait a little longer, try a BGS, which I haven't had, and see, although it seems unlikely that waiting will help, my OSS has placed me back on full BLT restrictions and also back in my brace, to STOP the micro motion as much as physically possible.

    Perhaps you can ask your NS if wearing your brace, resting & avoiding BLT will help you. I know its hard, but I've been 6 days in brace and my back pain is improved :-) . So for me, YES the instability, the micro motion = pain :'(

    I am very sorry to hear that you are in this position, because it just plain stinks!

    You have a little time before your ct scan, I pray that maybe a little fusion miracle is possible for you.

  • Brenda; Let us know how your appts. go. And you got it. Bud lights, for you and miller lite for me.
    But we still gotta find a driver.

    Jelly, hi surgery twin.
    Yes i read your post, just i havent been posting much lately, Sorry Hoping they can get the disc's off the nerves for ya. Thinking that they might offer you to do traction therapy, to see if that works. They tried that on me in 1992, for a cervical but it didnt work. So that might be an option for ya.
    I know i should lay down and take'r easy, which i do relax in the evenings watching television, but that is the only time.
    A big opstacle is acceptance for what it is. And dealing with the situation at hand.

    virginiap; hi and sorry that we both are dealing with this non-fusion.
    You will probably need to get a plate put in there also.
    I can feel the instability in my spine. And it's painful as you know.
    The PM i go too is also a spine specialist and he told me to put my brace back on. I showed him also the CTscan and he said i will be needing a alif as did my NS. I guess i know the answer, just looking for a way out of it.
    My back does feel better with the brace on, like you it prevents movement of the spine.
    I'm getting the same pain in all the areas that you are.
    And when i look at the CTscan, you can clearly see where i'm fused and where it is not fused, so there is no denying the facts,
    Well best of luck to ya, and i'm sure you will probably have your surgery 1st. I guess if we need it, might as well get it over with.

    So will see if the next 2 months, a fusion happens or not. I'm not holding my breath tho.

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  • Jim,

    Beer is set, my hubby will drive! We might think we are drunk though as he will be zig zagging and having a blast! Will do on the appointments.

    Braces. As you know, no back surgery here yet but I have found what helps me if I go shopping with the hubby and think I might stand with nowhere to sit? I have an under clothes brace a little firmer than you see the Home Depot guys wearing. Not a fix, but it makes a huge difference. Maybe you can put one under your hard brace? Double duty?

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • The brace i have is an Aspen, and the hard turtle shell can be removed, so you just have the soft brace.
    My PM told me it's o k to take that out and just wear it as a soft brace.
    That makes it a little more comfortable to wear.
    Altho it is still a little bulky.
  • Jim,

    I've seen the Aspen back brace online, but didn't look real hard, so didn't realize it was a dual brace if you will. (G) At least my thoughts of 'soft under hard' wasn't too far off the mark!

    Me, mine is just to give me some staying power as I am trying to put off my back as long as I can. :)

    PS, you know we are playing post ping pong right now? My thread, your thread, have a thread! Sorry, couldn't resist!!

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
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  • on the post ping pong.

    Havent done that in a long time.
    I'm here everyday, but because of alot of stuff building up, with everything going on here i'm just not in the mood, or the right stage of mind to post or respond to other people's post's.
    Heck i got a stack of bills i gotta get going on, and pay, before the utility co's get mad at me.

    But just kinda go thru the day zombie like, if you can understand that.
  • Jim,

    I hear ya big time! Last week I was a 'bed bug' for a couple of days, didn't even get on the computer! And yeah, when the pain ranks on the high scale, maybe will read, but won't post as I sometimes just don't get out what I mean to! So "Roger that", I get it for sure!!

    Today or tomorrow is my Billpay day online. I've already organized what I need to pay, but haven't gone to my bank online to input the money - might do that tonight! :)

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • I pay bills online also.
    Then i get out the paper shredder and shred the sheets with my personel info. on them.
    The motor in my shredder is gonna get a work out today.
  • I also have the two part Aspen quick draw brace. Blazer, my OSS said would be optimal if I could do the full (add the hard shell) but if not the corset is better then nothing.

    Brenda, my Aspen looks soft in front, but even without the shell the back is mighty stiff, it has bars in the back. Very pricey, I believe my medical insurance carrier paid over $2000 for it, that was the insurance discounted rate! Steep! Prior to surgery, about 5 years ago I bought a Muller lumbar support brace and it is pretty supportive and its held up nicely. Was about $50.

    Blazer, yes we need to keep each other updated on our progress, ok. Comfort in numbers, sorry it has to be something as devastating as surgery. Yes, plate for sure. My original ALIF was supposed to include an anterior fixation plate but during surgery NS opted not to use it, makes me wonder, had he used it would I have this micro motion.

    I have a recent thread, "fibrous non union & micro motion" detailing what OSS wants to do. Spinous plate, facet screws, facet fusion & foramanotmy. Due to my petite stature, he will not perform a PLIF.

    Again hoping & praying that something **FUSION** happens for you to avoid another surgery.

  • I just emptied the shredder shreds - messy. Mine does that cross cut, so the pieces are tiny. My hubby and I also have a 'burn box' that we fill. Once the dry season is over, we get a glass of wine and burn all that crap in the Chiminea.

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
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