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Pain Medication and the DEA



  • Clandy said:

    And this, right here is why no matter what law is enacted, no matter what agency enforces it, no matter what "they" do.... there is always going to be people out there willing to do stupid #$%# to get high.
    That's absolutely correct. And in some cases I'm all for doing nothing about it. If the bottle of cleaner says "not for internal use" and some idiot figured out they can get high on it. Let them. Natural selection, thinning of the heard, whatever. That level of stupidity shouldn't be managed by the government.

    The flip side though is you can't just ignore everything. So the other extreme is you go to a pill mill and get your RX for 1,000 (pick a drug) because the "Doctor" (i use that term loosely) is getting away with it. No thanks. Send in the DEA and shut them down.

    Somewhere in all of this needs to be a balance. Achieving that balance, as with most things in life, is difficult, and some times damned near impossible. Again, doing nothing is not an acceptable answer. Innocent people will always suffer at the hands of the bad ones and the morons in some cases. This is pretty much true in many cases well beyond CP and who gets their drugs and who doesn't.

    It would be nice if there was a simple answer but their isn't. It's not just about docs and RXs. Many CP patients really have no medical proof of their problems. Not in a physical sense. It becomes as much the doctors opinion that you need them as anything. If it were cut and dry, like say your leg was missing, then yeah. The nerve pain and CP folks get burned for lots of reasons. The simplest one being people can't see what is wrong with you and question it.

  • a special on TV a while back about Bath Salts. These are not the things you use to take a nice bath. These are sold in little containers in head (or smoke) shops and are explicitly intended to make you very high. Apparently, the high has driven several people to suicide. Yep, this is the type of stuff that should be taken off the market. The DEA was just involved in having K2 or Spice outlawed here in Oregon.
    3 level spinal fusion, L3/4, L4/5, L5/S1, November 2008. Stiff, but I can walk.
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  • There was a chronic pain patient using his medications incorrectly and used them up before the month was up then he would go on the methadone program under a different Dr. I really think there needs to be tighter guidelines for Drs who're prescribing pain medications.

    One Family Dr. in Eastern Canada lost his ability to prescribe narcotics because of lack of knowledge about certain narcotics and their use after one of his patients overdosed.

    I really believe there is a problem with real chronic pain patients getting proper pain relief and meds prescribed and hope it can be helped by registering every Dr. and patient on narcotics even though we unfortunately have to deal with pill counts and urine tests just because of the abuse.

    Some people have been fortunate enough to get the right amount of pain meds to get tolerable relief but even for me to get a breakthrough med from a Dr. I've known for 20 years was very difficult as my Dr. only wanted to give slow release pain medications. But I told her I'm moving a packing is a bear and needed some breakthrough meds.

    Doctors are not thrilled as they have to make out extra paper work for the Government for every patient that is on narcotics but seems to be the only way to track legitimate patients and their usage.

    There is one post Ron wrote about the importance of communication with your Dr. every month and if there's any changes or an increase in pain or you notice weakness or new symptoms to let your Dr. know in case more tests or referrals need to be added to your treatment plan including a reassessment of your pain medications.

    You may want to keep a pain chart and let your Dr. know your exact symptoms or an elevation in pain doing certain activities. If your relationship is not based on trust and open communication you may need to find a Dr. who is willing to help you.

    Every person with chronic pain should be entitled to proper pain management including pain medication and if you're having difficulty please don't give up for finding a Dr. to help you. No one should have to endure pain so unbearable that you can't live no matter what the media does by exploiting the few who are abusing meds or have to worry about the DEA in their work. If a Dr. is legitimately giving meds to patients there is no limit to how much a Pain Specialist can prescribe for someone under his care.

    Stonecold I hope you find the right Dr. to help you. Best wishes. Charry
    DDD of lumbar spine with sciatica to left hip,leg and foot. L4-L5 posterior disc bulge with prominent facets, L5-S1 prominent facets with a posterior osteocartilaginous bar. Mild bilateral foraminal narrowing c-spine c4-c7 RN
  • Idiots that want drugs are going to find them. No government agency is going to stop that. It just causes more problems for legitimate pain patients. Doctors in the state of Utah are scared to death to give out pain meds and that is a fact. Come find out.
  • I know part of the problem with pain meds is the DEA, but now they are talking about tylenol in the pain meds being bad for you. Has anyone else had this problem?
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  • I've used bath salts for over 35 yrs and yes, for a bath, never for anything else. A nice hot bath (or shower) helps my pain more than anything, though it is very short-lived, and though I don't need bath salts or anything other nice smelling thing in my bath, it shouldn't be taken away because a few people decide that they want to do something else with the stuff. That's ridiculous.

    If next week the drug abusers of this world find a way (and never say never) to abuse and use MILK to get high, are we just going to sit back and allow the milk to be taken off the market and substituted with something else, because that's exactly what's happening here with our medications and now the taking away of my bath salts. Ever bathe in them? They make you feel silky soft. The steam rises from the water longer than normal from them. I rarely used them and it has been years, but the point is that it should be my choice.
  • Well, really, too much or extended use of acetaminophen is bad for your liver. They've been talking about discontinuing the blended meds for a long time now. It's always a good idea to have your bloodwork done at least once a year to check your liver and other organs if you do take it frequently.
    APROUD CANADIANveteranButNOTa doctor, my thoughts are my own
  • I've been taking vicodin for a long time and started getting some stomach upset after a couple of years. My doc thought it was the APAP, so switched me over to Norco, which has more pain med and less APAP. That seems to have worked well for the stomach problems. Lord only knows what my liver thinks.

  • Anyone who continually uses meds (most of you in this section) should be getting an annual blood test anyway. Not just because of acetaminophen. A general health check to make sure there are no new interactions with your meds and vital organs.

  • I can't live without pain control so what does it matter? I never get checked, if I can't control this nerve pain, I'd rather be dead anyway so what is the difference... I know that is a skewed way of thinking but it is exactly how I think about it..
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