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Relief for Muscle Spasms!

J.J.GreyJJ.J.Grey Posts: 2,962
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:24 AM in Pain Medications
My mother in law has back issues that are much the same as mine. She called me the other day and told me that she found something that gives her great relief from her pain. Now, try not to laugh when I tell you because it really works! She told me to go anywhere that veterinary meds and supplies are sold and purchase something called Horsemans Friend (brand name) Veterinary Horse Linament. Take a hot bath and rub it into my lower back. Well, I was skeptical but willing to try anything so I went and got some. Took a hot bath and not only put it on my low back but also my arthritic knees and neck which had been giving me some trouble. This stuff worked! I woke up the next morning with the least amount of pain that I have had in a long time! My MIL thinks that it helps the arthritis but I am more apt to think that it helps the muscles. Either way, it really does work. Her doc told her that she can use it up to 4 times a day. For those of you having a hard time getting relief from the meds alone, I would highly recommend trying this.
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  • I would caution anyone considering this. It may work fantastic, but there may be interactions with medications that someone takes. Once a liniment or rub is applied, it can't just be washed off if someone begins to have a bad reaction.

    Just my $.02

    "C"
  • YEAH IF IT WORKS GOOD A DOCTOR WOULD PERSCRIBE IT I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T USE PET MEDS FOR ANYTHING BUT MY PET.
  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 9,715
    be very careful about. So many times on this forum people are talking about different OTC remedies. Many of them work and that is good for them.
    BUT NEVER start a treatment based on what someone else has heard or seen without first contacting your doctor.

    About 2 years ago, a young female high school athlete died from an overdose of bengay! She was using it for months, almost covering here entire body with the liniment.
    There was no caution on the label, so she felt it was ok to do.

    I am not saying that this Veterinary Horse Liniment could cause similar problems, but always consult a doctor first.
    Ron DiLauro Spine-Health System Administrator
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences
    You can email me at: rdilauro@veritashealth.com
  • Horse medicine? I don't know, I'm not the brave one. Is it an ointment? My MIL bought me an arthritis cream called Australian dream for $30. She swore that it took all the pain away from her friend. I tried it, used it, kept using it, and can't tell. But I use it anyway until I run out. Zostrix or any thing with capsaicin is all right. I used it for shingles once.
    Dilauro, how can BenGay cause the girl's death? That is so tragic. I know they tell you to use the cream a certain amount of times a day, but I don't abide always. This is certainly a wake up call. Thanks
  • to get slammed for mentioning something that certainly is not a prescription horse med ( however animals are given human meds) that works great. It is nothing more than ICY Hot! But in my opinion works much better! Ingredients:
    Aloe Leaf Juice, Isopropyl Alcohol, Isopropyl Palminate, Propylene Glycol, Camphor,polysorbate 80, Allantoin, Menthol, Eucalyptus, Globulus Oil, Ascorbic Acid, Propylparaben. Nothing scary here and I surely would never suggest taking prescription vet meds.

    The girl Dilauro speaks of overdosed from Aspercreme which contains aspirin. (not Bengay as stated).

    I will not offer any more info at all on simple remedies that work for me although they could actually help someone. I feel that this was blown totally out of proportion.

    Dgardineer, No, a doc would not prescribe it as no prescription is necessary. I would also never use an animal med on anything but my animal, I would think that most of us have that much common sense!
  • paininthe back


    I don't know about the one you suggested. But Mane and Tail works wonders for hair.

    Not questioning what other people have written, but it a bubble bath, or an otc rub questioned as much? (really not sure, really new)
  • Snookie. I don't know the answer, but it is all in about the same category so I would guess so.
  • I didn't mean to come off like I was slamming your suggestions. The Whoa, there was more for lightening the mood. I have a silly sense of humor. We all know you're being helpful.
    Thanks for clarifying that Aspercream story. Goodness, I just got some today. I will definately read directions. The arthritis I have in my back, and everywhere else has been kicking my butt, even before it cooled off. I am just about thru with the Australian Dream and was on it a month.
  • I'm a Certified Veterinary Technician, so I found this thread pretty interesting. Many meds we prescribe for animals are the same as human meds and in many cases we just call in the prescription to the local pharmacy rather than keep the meds in stock. Nearly all of the antibiotics and pain meds we use are interchangeable. Of course I'm not suggesting that you self-medicate with prescribed veterinary drugs, but I do admit I've correlated my own drug regimen with treatments we use for our patients. On a cellular level we aren't all that different from our furry friends. For instance, we suggest glucosamine, MSM, antioxidants and Omega 3 & 6 fatty acids for our arthritic dogs. Since my spine is basically a series of joints, I am taking exactly those things along with Citrical plus Bone Density Builder to help with my ACDF healing.

    On a non-spine related case, my experience in veterinary medicine actually out-performed my mother's doctors' advice. She suffers from fibromyalgia, gastric reflux, and lactose and gluten intolerances among other things. She has a very sensitive stomach and can barely tolerate vitamins much less other medications the doctor has prescribed for her fibromyalgia pain and intestinal disorders. She gets some pain relief with massage and acupuncture but nothing ever worked for her digestive problems. She basically has had a stomach ache for 10 years. Since I know how we treat our dogs and cats with digestive problems, I suggested that she start taking digestive enzymes, probiotics, and other natural ingredients that increase GI motility. Turns out they worked! I can't believe none of the specialists she's seen over the years ever mentioned these basic treatments. She is so excited to finally be able to eat without pain and to have solid stools again. My dad wants to know if this means he needs to get her a rabies tag!

    Anyways, just thought I'd share.

  • Sometimes things from the keyboard don't come off the same as a casual conversation. My Dad would spray WD40 on his elbows for over 20 years and he never turned into a carburetor, but his elbow did stop squeaking! 8}

    Bobby

  • Thanks for clearing that up. I knew already that many pet meds are also used on humans.My cat is currently taking chlortrimeton (sp) for allergies. I mean I know better than to put frontline behind my hairline for heaven's sake because I have an itch back there. I had a friend of mine who owns two horses out shopping for this stuff. Because if I could throw away the valium and rub something on my shoulders for the spasms then I was willing to try it. I can't sit on a heating pas 24 7 and that's basically what I was doing when I first read this post.
  • I just went back and read your post. That is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. =)) I've heard of older people doing strange things like that. They don't like all this new fangled stuff and things like that get passed down. Sometimes I think the old remedies shouldn't be dismissed so quickly.
  • Research, it was not aspercreme, nor aspirin, but methyl salicylate, according to the coroners report. The point remains the same, common sense is not always common, and always read the label.. If it says 'apply liberally to horse', and you are not a horse.. Well..

    And just to clarify you said you would never use an animal med on anything other than an animal, but in your original post, you said 'I would highly recommend trying this.'. I won't be you guinea pig, I won't do it! =P Besides, I had my hooves and tail removed ages ago.

    =) Cheers!

    JWM
  • Tonya
    Yep, it got so bad my Dad thought everything could be fixed with WD40. He would always have a few things within his reach at all times: tissue, fingernail clippers, knife, change, and please don't forget...... WD40. He even sprayed down our old 73 Plymouth Valiant to give it that 'fresh look' before selling it. It did wonders to dry paint 8}
  • would be well taken if it was an animal med that I was speaking of. There is no actual medicine in this stuff so you must not have paid attention to the ingredients that I listed before posting your reply!
  • Now if only it could get rid of my back spasms. I wish it was that easy. My step dad thinks duct tape fixes everything and everybody should take an aspirin for whatever ails them. :)
  • I also don't recall asking anyone to be my guinea pig. As I said earlier, I found something very safe with absolutely no meds in the ingredients that have given me great relief. Based on the comments here that seem to keep going and going I will not share anymore things that may be helpful to some. Although I did think that support and helping one another was what this forum is all about. Unfortunately there are a few people here that have to badger comments made by others so I will suggest no more.
  • I don't see any "badgering" at all going on...what I see is some members saying "I wouldn't..." or "always consult a Dr", but nobody is saying "you're stupid for suggesting that and if people listen to you they will die and you shouldn't suggest alternative treatments anymore" type stuff. The way I took the replies was that if one was considering trying this linamint you've suggested, that they should simply check with their Doctor first-which we should do with anything new, including things marketed for humans.

    I also think you misunderstood JWM's post....he was joking around not actually saying you specifically asked someone to be a guinea pig. He often does that in threads that have tension in them-to lighten them up I would assume.

    I don't know if this is the case with you or not, but from my own personal experience, when my pain level is high I sometimes take things other people say too personally, or completely the wrong way. That's why I wanted to jump in here because I read every post and don't see it the way you did so maybe you misunderstood the message the others were trying to put out there? Think about it, if all of us here suggested all kinds of different things and at some point someone tried one of our suggestions and became very ill or even died, if we didn't advise people to check with their Dr's and remind them that we cannot give true medical advise, the people that are responsible for this site could be sued and even shut down. It's ALWAYS best to be safe rather than sorry, don't you agree?

    As far as your "correction" of Ron regarding BenGay vs Aspercreme...Ron was, indeed, correct. Here is a source that verifies that, just for clarification (I don't want to see any members misinformed so I felt this should be put in here).
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Toxic dose of BenGay killed track star

    Active ingredient accumulated in teen's blood stream

    NEWHOUSE
    Published on: 06/08/07

    New York — A 17-year-old track star died in April from a rare toxic dose of sports cream, New York's medical examiner said Friday.

    Toxicology tests revealed Arielle Newman's blood contained lethal amounts of methyl salicylate, the active ingredient in common muscle rubs like BenGay and Icy Hot, said Ellen Borakove, spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. The teen accidentally used "topical medication to an excess," causing poisons to accumulate in her body over an undetermined amount of time, Borakove said.

    The overdose likely led to a seizure.

    Arielle, a senior at Notre Dame Academy on Staten Island who garnered numerous awards in her brief athletic career, was found dead at home April 3. An autopsy was inconclusive, and led to speculation that her sudden death might have been connected to a party she attended the night before.

    Her family had been waiting more than two months for the medical examiner's office to reach a final conclusion.

    "I am glad this shows (Arielle) didn't die of her own doing. But this is a tragedy that could have been avoided," said her mother, Alice Newman.

    Deaths from the topical salicylate poisoning appear to be extremely rare. Borakove said this was the first case she has ever encountered in 20 years with the medical examiner's office. None of the doctors contacted by reporters for this article could recall any others. Research into medical journals revealed a few reports of salicylate toxicity when absorbed through the skin, but no deaths.

    The package labels on some of the over-the-counter topical analgesic creams have warnings against ingesting the medication, using it on open cuts or wounds, in combination with heating pads or on children. Some specifically state there are no known overdoses when the products are used externally.

    Dom Tringali, Arielle Newman's track coach, said sports balms can be found in just about every locker room and every track meet.

    Alice Newman said her daughter had been using a teammate's Ultra Strength BenGay and possibly other topical analgesics on her legs this year to help her recover between track meets.

    "She told me her legs felt like cement," her mother said. "She was working so hard to turn her season around."

    Even with repeated use, however, it is unclear how the extremely high levels of the substance remained in her body.

    Dr. Kristen Roman of the medical examiner's office told Alice Newman the toxicology report revealed more than six times the safe amount of methyl salicylate in Arielle's blood.

    Mrs. Newman said she took Arielle to several doctors after she complained of fatigue and shortness of breath in February and March. An asthma specialist prescribed an inhaler, and a dermatologist prescribed some cream for a skin condition.

    Neither doctor could pinpoint any other medical problems, she said. None of the other medications Arielle was taking contributed to her death, according to the medical examiner.

    The night before her death, Arielle returned from a party and spoke with her mother for hours before going to bed. After they found Arielle dead the next morning, her parents discovered vomit on two pairs of pants she apparently had worn the night before. According to medical journals, nausea and vomiting are some of the symptoms of salicylate poisoning. Other symptoms include fatigue, dizziness, convulsions and agitation.

    Dr. Roman and several of the detectives who first investigated Arielle's death noticed a faint minty smell when they examined the body, Mrs. Newman said. The smell could have been attributed to methyl salicylate, also known as "oil of wintergreen."

    Although initial autopsy results pointed to the popular liniment as a possibly cause of death, it still appeared implausible.

    "She said she was really perplexed by it," Mrs. Newman said of conversations she had with Roman.

    "I still can't believe it," she said. "I am scrupulous about my children's health. I did not think an over-the-counter product could be unsafe."
  • P.I.T.B.
    It is because ALL of us contribute some information about our pain related issues and experiences that keep things like this website/forum moving. I really don't think anyone was throwing you under the bus. We all need each other's input to move forward. If we could do it on our own we would not be on the Internet seeking advice or trying to find people with related situations seeking common remedies. As a by-stander I can say the majority understood your excitement and general information regarding back spasms. If there is a potential remedy for relaxing muscles spasms besides the "normal" procedure I think all possibilities should be explored, then it is obvious that individuals should seek the medical profession for input or guidance. So with that said, all situations and remedies are different and my doctor told me that doctors’ don’t have all the answers; thats where 'practicing medicine' becomes a reality. Please do not be hesitant to share information in the future. Thank you so much, Bobby
    8}

  • I may have been a little overly sensitive. I had a lot going on and was on overload.
  • WOW, AFTER WHAT I READ AFTER NOT BEING ON HERE IN A FEW DAYS DUE TO SEVERE PAIN, I CANT BELIEVE THE SLAM YOU GOT FOR TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DIDNT MEAN WHAT THEY SAID ON THE POST THE WAY IT READ OUT, BUT IM A FEW WEEKS NEW HERE TO SPINE HEALTH AND I READ ALOT OF PEOPLE;S POST AND THERE ARE MANY POST HELPING PEOPLE TRY THINGS THAT HELPED THEM ALSO. COMMON SENSE; YOU ARE YOUR OWN PERSON AND WE ALL SHOULD KNOW BY NOW THAT ANY KIND OF NATURAL THING IS SOMETHING WE PERSONALLY CHOOSE TO USE IF WE CHOOSE TO USE IT OR NOT. YOU DIDNT TELL ANYONE THEY HAVE TO USE IT. IT WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL OF YOU TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT HELPED YOU WITH YOUR SPASMS. I TRIED EVERYTHING WITH NO RELIEF AT ALL. IT ALSO SAYS IN YOUR POST YOU ARE NOT IN THE MEDICAL FIELD SO I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY PEOPLE GAVE YOU SUCH A HARD TIME OFFERING A RELIEF YOU HAD CHOSEN TO TRY, THAT HELPED SOMEONE ELSE THAT RECOMMENDED IT TO YOU TO TRY . ITS SCARES ME TO POST ANY HELPFUL THINGS HERE AFTER THIS, BAD ENOUGH TO BE IN SEVERE PAIN AND I ALSO HAVE PANIC ATTACS AND I WAS HURTING FOR YOU AFTER READING THE REPLIES. I COULDNT BELIEVE MY EYES. YOU HAVE HELPED MANY PEOPLE HERE FROM WHAT I HAVE READ IN OLD POST, INCLUDING NEW PEOPLE SUCH AS MYSELF. AND LIKE ONE PERSON MENTIONED MANE AND TALE WAS A BIG THING YEARS AGO. I USED IT...LOL. AND SO WAS THE HOOF SHINE CANT THINK OF THE NAME OF IT FOR NAILS.I JUST DONT WANT YOU TO BE UPSET ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAID TO YOU, I FELT FOR YOU SERIOUSLY, I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE. STAY STRONG IT MUST OF BEEN A CRANKY ,RAINY, PAINFUL DAY FOR ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT REPLIED. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP IN SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE.YOUR POST IS SURE TO HELP ONE OF US. MAYBE IT MAY BE ME, CAUSE ANYTHING MY DOCTORS TOLD ME TO TRY FOR MUSCLE SPASMS NOT 1 THING EVER HELPED.
    SINCERELY, DAWN
  • Yes, I guess that we all have our bad pain cranky days and some people were on a roll this day. Thats OK though. I got over it and am moving along. Thanks for your support.
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