Ok if you do not have back pain, neck pain you do not know how we feel right??? I am so sick of people telling me oh take a tyl. use ice, use heat. Like duh don't you think I know??? 8} I am up to my limit with this pain. As most of you know I have had way too may injections, had the R.F done (nerve burn) for the L.B and neck and now after only 3 months of really no pain to cry about it's back. Had to go to another PM because my PM says I am done with treatment because it is too soon to do anymore. I now am going to go for yet another injection and did not want too. I was told by the nuro spine Dr. that I am not a surgey canidate because of all the arth. in my back. 5 herniated dics in L.B 3 in cervical area what in the world I thought that they can fix this problem. I went to a nuro. Dr. years ago and he told me the shots will not work and I need surgery so why all the flip flop on opnions?? That even makes me feel more uncomfortable. I talk to my friends and they say oh we know you do not want to go out but, I just wanted to tell you us gals are getting together. By the way did that Ice help. Oh dear G-D I need to give them this web address and see what we all go threw. SO, much for my vent. Sorry.