Sleep Problems
ambien

i just started ambien cr/er 12.5s, but I dont feel like they are doing anything. I AM able to fall asleep a little bit earlier, but I wake up at like, 5am, and faced with the choice of getting up painfully early or going back to sleep, I sleep. And then I sleep too late. Can anyone share their thoughts on how ambien *should* affect me? 190lb male in good health, who needs to sleep better!

Jon

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L5-S1 7mm bulge with central canal stenosis and foraminal stenosis, sciatica, and DDD/spondylosis; L1-L2/L2-L3/L3-L4/L4-L5 all w/ 2-4mm bulges and DDD. ESIx2,etc
Meds: ALL generic, all 5 of them =) +MM


Hi Jon

ambien worked after a while, i am 300 lbs give or take a few wafffles, give it a few days,but ya,you will feel kinda groggy and slow during the day.
Now..this is just me and my body chemistry speakin K?
I have memory issues i associate with ambien use, short term memory is shot, i was on it for a long while,i got off coz of the effects, try the other one Lunesta, it dont hit as hard,but ur less fuzzy in the morning too. Ambien worked great at putting me to sleep,but in the end i had the same effects your describing. luck to ya!

Ambien

I took Ambien for awhile and found it did not really help me sleep. And when it did I woke up with a hangover type feeling that lasted most of the day.

For me the only thing that helps me sleep is Flexeril which is weird. I started taking the Flexeril to help with the muscle spasms after my surgery. A great side effect was the sleep factor. And instead of a $30 copay for 14 pills I have a $4 copay for 30 pills (the generic). Go figure...........Paul

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Cervical myelopathy, 15 surgeries to date, Severe OA, bilateral knee replacements, DDD, 13 MRI’s, 4 sets of spinal cortisone procedures and dozens of cortisone shots in other areas for OA. Upcoming scheduled surgeries include laminectomy and removal of synovial cyst located at left facet joint of L4-L5 (may require fusion); Right resection of A-C joint (left was done 12 years ago, by far the most painful of all my surgeries)

ambien alternative

ambien seems to works for a limited period of time and then your tolerence builds up hated it never mind the hangover it gives me the next morning . while doxylamine succinate seems to work fast and rapidly beside that it's not addictive neither dangerous but your tolerence might build up quickly if taking nightly but if mix of amino acids mixed with it would help to re-establish sleep patterns through improved hormone release or neurotransmitter function (melatonin and serotonin) . so far the only product on the market that mix this two component ingredient together is a product called ForceSleep.

Ambien cr

I take the Ambien CR also, but I don't seem to have a hangover effect the next day. I do take Rozerem with it and the two of them help me fall asleep and stay asleep. I HAVE to take them together though or no dice. When I first took Ambien (the regular one) I thought I had died and gone to heaven! I would take it and then about thirty minutes later I better be close to a bed. It was great! After taking it for a while it lost it's effectiveness and now it does NOTHING for me.
I've been out of my Ambien CR for almost two weeks now and there has been a big problem with my mail order pharmacy. Needless to say, I haven't had very much sleep during this time and now I caught the flu. I totally think it's because my body has completely worn down and lowered my immune system. There's not one joint that doesn't hurt in my body right now. It really stinks!

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Terrie

by the timestamp on my post

by the timestamp on my post im sure you can see my ambien is NOT working for me lol.. Flexeril USED to knock me straight out, except one day it did a 180 on me and now it gets me so wired i could stay up for days; weird. Next month, lunesta. Ambien is a no go for me. Hoped someone would have had a magical reply, but thank you all for yours nonetheless.

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L5-S1 7mm bulge with central canal stenosis and foraminal stenosis, sciatica, and DDD/spondylosis; L1-L2/L2-L3/L3-L4/L4-L5 all w/ 2-4mm bulges and DDD. ESIx2,etc
Meds: ALL generic, all 5 of them =) +MM

Ambien works wonders for some and not for others, its a strange

Ambien works great in the short term ,if you take it every night tolerance builds up fast at least it did for me.Another reason it may not be working for you is it does have a cross tolerance to benzos--they work on basically the same receptors
from what I have read.

I take ativan for now, its hopeless for the chronic insomnia I suffer from due to night terrors and anxiety.

There is a anti histamine called Vistaril(Hydroxyzine) that works wonders, its an rx only but you may talk to your doctor.

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According to MRI impression readings: Chronic bilateral L5 pars defects with grade 1 spondylolisthesis at L5-S1 and marked bilateral foraminal stenosis.

After reviewing my records 10/17/08:X Ray DX via flexion/extension:

Severe DDD at L5/S1 w/ 2 mm of motion, 3 mm retrolisthesis at L4/L5.Spondylolisthesis due to Spondylosis.Time for a true 2nd opinion.

Gout in both feet, Type 2 Diabetes(diet exercise only), Bipolar 2, Panic Disorder, and Insomnia from hell.

Meds: Norco, Wellbutrin XL(breaktime), Ativan(as needed), Ambien(on call), Zyprexa(manic rides gone bad)

the flexeril

flexeril did zero for me, the skelaxin put me out like the cat at night, it was my chemistry i think, everyone else ,it works,me out goes ranch...
bummer on the not sleeping..if you can get this under some control and a good schedual for sleeping myour ganna have the stronger body for the fight. the grindof not sleeping will were you thin in a short while,as you already see, keep your hope up and i hope youdfind the answer your looking for.
the tolerance for then a dependance on a sleep aid is somthing i had to go through, ya get the ambien shufffle" when it no longer works, he headache and a shorter sleep period,then up you go,the ambien shuffle. I finaly kind of got the sleep control sort of back in order,i jacked my circadian rythyms all out of whack, but now i try to push through the day enough,that an hour or less nap to relieve the stress on the back is helping,if i do it round 2.00 pm, i get round 4 hrs sleep" if ya want to call it that a night.
You know when i exercized all the endorfines sure did help with the sleep, good luck to ya!

Ambien - losing its effectiveness

I definitely agree with Frustrated101. When you take Ambien for extended periods of time you build up tolerance for it.
I know I started with 5mg, but after about 2 months I needed 10mg to do the same thing. I was sort of afraid that that trend would just continue, so I stopped it and looked for other ways to get some sleep.

Now, I dont know IF the tolerance item is actually medical facts, but it sure seems to be that way

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I toooo........

I too have been taking Ambien for a while and yes my body has seemed like it got use to it. Same as far as other meds your system always gets use to the meds but not the pain.....

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Daniel W Darling USN Active
L4-S1 Discectomy Jun 06
C6-C7 Ant/Fusion Nov 07
Awaiting L4-S1 Multi-level Fusion
From Expierence! NOT A SPECIALIST! Consult with a PHYSICIAN!

Thought I would chime in

Thought I would chime in here...

I have been on Ambien for almost a year and a half. I did take 7 weeks off last Fall, but went back to it again. I have not needed the dose increased the whole time. There are nights here and there where it doesn't seem to work as well, but 9 times out of 10 it works well for me. I am guessing when it does not work it may be a hormonal thing.

I am going to try to go off it next week while I have a break from school. I fully expect to be an insomniac again, but I want to see if I can get back to a normal sleep rhythm on my own again. I am not banking on it, it seems once you start with these and they work you can get dependent real quick. We will see, I may be in here chatting very often next week in the middle of the night! Wink

taking ambien

I just started taking it but only try to use it when I really need it. I'm on 10mg but actually 1/2 a tablet does just fine for me. I feel kind of crabby the next morning but it wears off soon after I get going for the day.

double post

sorry

Frustrated101

Frustrated101 thanks for the info, I didn't know it bound to the same receptors as Benzo's. I take clonazepam, so there you go. That would explain why I can take a 10mg ambien and stare at the ceiling, or the inside of my eyelids, all night long.. Sounds like Vistaril and Lunesta are next up to bat.

Thanks all for the replies, and I'm glad I'm not the only one.

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L5-S1 7mm bulge with central canal stenosis and foraminal stenosis, sciatica, and DDD/spondylosis; L1-L2/L2-L3/L3-L4/L4-L5 all w/ 2-4mm bulges and DDD. ESIx2,etc
Meds: ALL generic, all 5 of them =) +MM

JWM

I was wondering if you have noticed any problems with your short term memory since you began taking the clonazepam? I used to take it but noticed that I began to have trouble finding words to say that I knew that I should remember or completely blanking on events that happened (just did the 'can't find the right word' thing). My family would ask me if I was going to do something and I wouldn't remember that it had been mentioned before. The kids took advantage of the situation, of course. It has gotten a bit better, but I still struggle with it.

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Terrie

ambien without a full stomach

In the pdr it says that ambien is most effective on an empty stomach and will work faster and longer.

see if that helps some. No eating after 6pm for me!
lisa

8 years clonazepam with zero

8 years clonazepam with zero memory issues. I tried ativan (lorazepam?) for a month, after a week or two I was forgetting everything. Some benzos will do that do you, some wont, and it's different for everyone to some extent I guess.

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L5-S1 7mm bulge with central canal stenosis and foraminal stenosis, sciatica, and DDD/spondylosis; L1-L2/L2-L3/L3-L4/L4-L5 all w/ 2-4mm bulges and DDD. ESIx2,etc
Meds: ALL generic, all 5 of them =) +MM

oh and i'm using 10mg ambien

oh and i'm using 10mg ambien now, not the 12.5 cr's, and on an empty stomach, same results. I read up on the way ambien works, and it seems that if you use a benzo regularly/all the time, ambien may not work, as it will be 'blocked' by your benzo. Occasional valium or xanax users probably wont experience that, but clonazepam stays in your system for such a long time, there's no way around it.

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L5-S1 7mm bulge with central canal stenosis and foraminal stenosis, sciatica, and DDD/spondylosis; L1-L2/L2-L3/L3-L4/L4-L5 all w/ 2-4mm bulges and DDD. ESIx2,etc
Meds: ALL generic, all 5 of them =) +MM

Ambien

I, obviously can't sleep, but Ambien always left me feeling groggy. I have taken it often for about 9 years. I just switched to Lunesta and it worked great at first. Now it seems that it doesn't do much for me either but I at least don't get the hangover. Wish there were a magic pill out there for some of us...

Gary

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As hard as it is to move day to day, move I must. The pain reminds me I am alive and for today I won't give in to it! We are not defined by our pain or illness; it is but a part of who we really are...

took Ambien for a year

it is hard to get off of, because of "rebound" insomnia - you sleep worse the night you don't take it. but I have finally pretty much gotten off of it by tapering over a few months. as weird as it sounds, it was the back surgery that made this possible, my body was just so tired it was ready to sleep.

but I was on sleep meds for years - the most effective was mirtazapine, which is an anti-depressant/anti-anxiety medication. you take it every night, and you get huge munchies, but wow - the five years I was on it, I could not have slept better, even traveling. it was amazing.

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ACDF C5-7 February 20 '08, to address DDD, herniated discs, bone spurs. After 5 hrs of surgery, 11 wks in Aspen collar, (18 wks disability), went back to work June 30.

What I am doing at 7 months: working full time (at a desk), sleeping withminimal meds, working out most days (treadmill and weights), sitting in chairs and cars again (and even a couple airplanes - the bigger the better). What I am not doing: turning my head much, running, playing tennis, swimming, anything involving a lot of shoulder movement.

What I have learned through all of this: that I married the right man and work for the right boss. That what doesn't kill us, well, doesn't kill us. That there are no consequences to my house being a mess for a few months. That sometimes ice cream for breakfast is entirely appropriate.

I've had insomnia

Even before I got hurted (yes, I know that's not correct English, I'm playing)...I've taken a NUMBER of things and honestly, it will sound dumb but Elavil is an anti-depressant that is used at lower doses to help people sleep and it worked beautifully for me, no hangover, or anything like that...There was another one they had given me, I can't remember the name of it, but it was basically a concentrated dosage of anti-histamines and they give it to women who are pregnant and can't sleep...But that one left me really hungover...And as I wasn't pregnant, I didn't get it, but docs don't like to give younger people narcotics...

I also have used Melatonin and that actually worked for me as well, it's OTC and what your body produces to go to sleep. Unfortunately I have neither and that's why I was up until 4 am, I'd kill for a good night's sleep at the moment! Good luck, I hope you get some rest!

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In need of 3 level ACDF of C4-5, C5-6, C6-7, which are all degenerating. Spondylosis, spurring, bulging discs at C4-5 and C5-6, torn ligaments and "cervical instability" in my neck all causing pain throughout my neck and uppper back, sometimes my whole back. Also have tons of tension headaches which turn into migraines. Have done physical therapy, chiropractor, and multiple types of injections with limited or no relief. All of this is the result of a car accident in December 2004.

AMbien

Ive been ambien for roughly three years now and Ifind it lost its effectiveness. I tried lunesta and all it did was give me a bad taste in my mouth and eveything I ate and drank afterwards tasty nasty. I'm considering asking my doc for something else to try. I use to use restoril. I might ask for that again.

Christina Smile

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39 year old happily married mother of two children ages 19 and 17.
Muscle spasms started after getting up from sitting position in '07, cervical herniation, stenosis and bone spurs showed up on MRI resulting in emergency cervical fusion of C5-C6(sept. 07).
Pain continued in middle/lower back. MRIs showed herniated disc in lumbar area, stenosis, and fatty tissue in the spinal canal causing spinal cord to be pushed to the left.
Tried heat/cold therapy, PT, facet joint injection,as well as facet joint injection, epidurals/injections, steriods, Tens Unit, Ultrasound therapy, Nerve blocks and Various pain meds.
After exhausting all other treatments and having a discography had a spinal fusion L5-S1 with instrumentation (cage, 2 rods, screws, plastic spacer, bone grafts (made from my own bone ) on June 24th, 2008.

This may sound strange but i

This may sound strange but i reallly prefer Trazadone. You can take up to 600 mgs of it and it wont kill you. Its an anti depressant (A terrible at that one) But it also makes you drowsy.
Also I think the med that knocked me out the fastest by far was REMERON That stuffs no joke its also a good antidepressant.

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Diagnoses (For quick reference)
2- Herniated discs with nerve pain in legs
Schuerrmans kyphosis ( A rare curvature of the lower spine)
And accelerated degeneration of the lumbar region
sick and tired of being sick and tired as they all say
(Klonipin 1mg X2 daily) (5X100mg seroquel) (6X10mg flexeril). (30 mgs of buspar) 1800mgs of neurontin, 40 mgs of prozac. 1500 mgs of nabutome

ni ni time

i use lunesta at the moment, not working so good anymore, tried ambien it did nothing for me, but my hubby uses ambien for last 2 years but he uses it off and on maybe only once or twice a week, thats prolly why he still has lots of luck with it. about lunesta leaving the bad taste (id eat cat food if it meant i could sleep, heheh)lunesta gives me munchies much less now but it was bad for awhile many years ago i started out with 3-flexy's at bed and that worked great then one night out of the blue it turned me into a hyper fool, now i use it prn during day helps relax my muscles and clean house hehehe, oh i have tried many i thought i read sumwhere earlier in the post with someone using two diff kinds at once.(yikes)..(i have never did that, dont think i would even try just recently i took a break with my lunesta and tried my old script of trazadone (doc said this would be fine)he tells me start off with 150 mg thats 3pills and if that dont work keep adding 1 pill every night up to 8 pill in one night, well it did work after 8 pills, this is my rhumey who takes over my sleeping meds he even said i could take more if that didnt work, cause i was abit nervous taking that many pills at one time from one bottle, well i did the trazy for couple weeks then went back to my lunesta, im just gonna keep doing the back ad fourth thing for awhile i also started on klonopin recently small dose point5 mg it was ok at first helped me with the muscle spasms, helped me chill out, but just that fast it dont do much for me and im not getting it refilled i know a higher dose would prolly help me like it did at first, but i dont need valuim as bad rite now as i might after my surgery, and doc says its okay to just keep a few for a really bad day, taking 4 of them every day was to much for this lady grandma,....patsy

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Cervical Stenosis with Myeolopathy.
C-3-7 Herniations Impingement on Cord several areas.
C6-7 is worse with Large Herniation with over 50% Impingement.
Possible M.S "Only Possible".

Myeolpathy symptoms seem to be getting worse. So time is important to me.keeping a positive attitude and holding head high.

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Lunesta

Lunesta makes everything taste yucky!!

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Cervical myelopathy, 15 surgeries to date, Severe OA, bilateral knee replacements, DDD, 13 MRI’s, 4 sets of spinal cortisone procedures and dozens of cortisone shots in other areas for OA. Upcoming scheduled surgeries include laminectomy and removal of synovial cyst located at left facet joint of L4-L5 (may require fusion); Right resection of A-C joint (left was done 12 years ago, by far the most painful of all my surgeries)

bah

just tried lunesta and sonata, I got lots of warnings about the gross tasting mouth thing with lunesta but it didn't happen to me. All I know is that nothing, still, nothing makes me sleep as good as good old excessive exhaustion. =) Hope you all sleep well tonight =)

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L5-S1 7mm bulge with central canal stenosis and foraminal stenosis, sciatica, and DDD/spondylosis; L1-L2/L2-L3/L3-L4/L4-L5 all w/ 2-4mm bulges and DDD. ESIx2,etc
Meds: ALL generic, all 5 of them =) +MM

Strange

Strange how different we all are. ambein 10 mg gives me sleep-fast. and I wake up refreshed and in less pain. But that's for occasional sleep only. If I take it to often it loses its effectiveness. and I have to take one and one half. so I try not to use it too often.
I got lunesta to break it up, and use some thing different so the ambien wouldn't loose it's effectiveness but lunesta gave me a hang over. So much for that idea. The ambein will work fine for me as long as I don't use it too often. As with any thing over used, It will lose it's effectiveness.
Good luck, Jim

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First back injury 1970 work related conservative treatment.Several low back accidents over the years,Treatments, Chiropractors,
In 1988 serious low back injury, off work 6 mo. Treatment Chiropractors, anti inflammatory meds.
1989 serious back injury, also work related, Saw 6 different doctors over next 6 mo. Orthopedic doc. ordered mri. Findings, L4,L5,S1, DDD, Bulging discs.Got "KSLO 2" body back brace. Ortho suggested 360 3 level fusion w/Harrington rods.
I refused surgery and went for the brace 24-7 and conservative treatments with stronger anti inflammatories.
1998 another setback, Ortho still wanted fusion. I asked for other conservative treatments. Sent to Pm doc for epidurals. And tufted it out with no pain meds. Had as many epidurals as aloud till Oct. 2002 and could no longer work.
2003 anterior posterior 360 3 level fusion w/ bone harvest from my hip. After recovery I felt like I had the back of a 20 year old for 7 mos. Then I went straight downhill... FAST!
2004 L,3 Fused. Never recovered
2005 Had hardware removed, thinking that was the problem. I recouped from surgery but no improvement.
2006 Had scs installed. They couldn't get the stimulation where I needed it. They said they had never seen a Human wired like me. After every kind of injection there is. I'm on 50 mg methadone, Hydrocodone 20/30 apap for break through, Celebrex 200 2 a day, Diaspam 5 mgs. 2 a day, wellbutrin xl 150 mgs. cymbalta 20 mgs. and lidoderm lidocane 5% patches. I was a "type-A workoholic" Now I don't quite know what I am!
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ambien and memory loss

ive asked before but i experienced memory loss with ambien, have any of you? ambien is more brutal in the fall asleep stage, but lunesta had me sleep a little better until i got used to it...bummer

lunesta and ambien and sum questions....

i was thinking maybe lunesta works better for women and ambien works better for men. what do you think?
about the bad taste....i only have the bad taste when i get up in the morning,I brush my teeth and its gone...
so my question is do you guys out there that say it gives you a bad taste mean right after you take it...it gives you a awful taste in your mouth? like right away?after taking it?
just wondering...

i have a suggestion this is from my experience anyway if i take it on a empty belly it works if i eat first..forget it im not sleeping that night for sure, i usually take my lunesta wait 30 min eat dinner and start getting sleepy in about 30 min.
another thing take some magnesium along with your sleeping pill it kinda gives it a boost....hugs & good sleep..patsy

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Cervical Stenosis with Myeolopathy.
C-3-7 Herniations Impingement on Cord several areas.
C6-7 is worse with Large Herniation with over 50% Impingement.
Possible M.S "Only Possible".

Myeolpathy symptoms seem to be getting worse. So time is important to me.keeping a positive attitude and holding head high.

Feel Free To Check Out My Websites: Patsy Now And Hunt Pix

I would love it if you left a comment ! !

Patsy Now - known as ladybug !

Ambien

Well Lets see I have been taking ambien for about 2 years now and pretty much 10 mg work for me nightly.. I have noticed that if I eat before I take it, it does not work well, and and then I feel like I need to take 1/4 of one... I will admit I am totally addicted to it, and even in the hospital they gave it to me nightly........I have a problem with sleepwalking especially with food at night, so it has not done me any good in that department.... We moved last year and I put my ambien in a different spot from what I ususllly keep it and I took it with my morning pills and went to work,,, DONT DO THIS...... I was feeling funny so I called my husband to count the pills in bottle and I had taken one, Thank God it was not a cooking day and it was a management day so I could sit at desk and try to stay awake.......It wore off after about 4 coffies and 2 hours so there you go, its not something that keeps me asleep all night,,,,, In the begining though I did a few wierd things like get up and make chicken salad and not remember it, till I thanked my kids for making it and they said I did.. I just kept my mouth shut. YIKES

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ON my second back surgery now
posterior,laminectomy, Lateral screw fixation
4 years ago from disectomy with fusion
Breast Reduction
gallbladder, apendix, women stuff
knee surgery and sinus surgery

Sleeping

Right now, I take Neurotin, Trazodone, Resteril, and Ambien CR all at the same time and I sleep really well. I've been on the Trazodone and Ambien CR for a couple of years (before the back problem) and didn't have a problem with building up a tolerance. When I don't take the Ambien for maybe a couple of nights, my head feels really weird...can't explain it, but I don't like the sensations I get. Anyone else have that problem when you don't take it? Just curious.

I have a very high tolerance for medications (as you can tell from the above cocktail) and I think it started back when I was a teenager and had migraine headaches so often. They would give me meds to basically knock me out so I could sleep through them. Ever since then, it takes a truckload of pain medications to do me any good. Weird.

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DDD, spinal stenosis, Spondylolisthesis, herniation at L4/L5
2 spinal cysts pushing against nerve roots

Tried PT, chiropractor...no relief

6/26/08 TLIF fusion L4-L5 with instrumentation,Laminectomy L4-S1, facetectomy, foraminotomy, autograft

Ambien

I've taken Ambien on and off for 2 years - currently "on". When I first started taking it, it was wild! I was dead asleep in 10 minutes, so needed to be near a bed. But, whoa - what a trip I would go on!! Let's just say - intimacy with hubby was really wild. I wanted it even more than normal (which is a lot) AND would hallucinate somewhat throughout. Like I might think he was in a costume, we were in a forest, etc. I would talk about it as I would see it. It worried him at first, but then he realized I was fine and just incorporated it into the experience. lol That lasted just a few months.

I haven't had trouble getting off of it when I don't need it, but currently, my pain is really elevated and if I don't take it, I don't sleep. My current doc believes it causes rebound insomnia if taken every day, so she only gives 20 a month. I tried Lunesta and it just didn't work as well. So I'm willing to stay with Ambien and just not sleep much at all 10 days.

I also tried the CR and it was horrible - I was up and down all night. I prefer the regular Ambien, 10mg.

I no longer need to be near a bed, as it takes sometimes several hours to full kick in, but once I'm asleep, I get a really good restful sleep. Very rarely groggy if I get a full 6 hours or more. If I have to get up sooner, I will be groggy. I won't take it if I know I don't have 6+ hours to sleep.

I also no longer have hallucinations, and haven't done anything else that is worrisome or dangerous. It only lasted a few months.

It does still make me extra-amorous. lol

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3 surgeries in 2006 for L5-S1 issues. 360 PLIF with rods, screws, cages and BMP finally stabilized my back. Now have permanent S1 nerve damage. In the process of seeking a SCS trial. Must stay reclined and cannot sit or walk for longer than 20-30 minutes at a time without reclining off of my S1 nerve. Significantly limited life as a result. On long acting meds plus breakthrough meds, and muscle relaxers when spasms get out of control.