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Shaking from the pain

is it normal to shake like your really cold after extreme back pain
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  • LizLiz Posts: 9,745
    hello dinann323
    please click on link for information about spine-health
    welcome to spine-health

    Liz, 

    Veritas-Health Forum Moderator

    Spinal stenosis since 1995
    Lumber decompression surgery S1 L5-L3[1996]
    Cervical stenosis, so far avoided surgery
  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 13,527
    Hi dinann323

    When my pain level goes up, my hands get very cold and I get some shivers.   Once the pain medication starts to work, my hands return to normal temperature and I stop shaking.

    I dont know how much scientific and medical evidence there is to support this, but I know it has happened to me many times.
    Ron DiLauro Veritas-Health Forums Manager
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences 
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  • MetalneckMetalneck The Island of Misfit toysPosts: 1,778
    edited 01/03/2017 - 12:22 PM
    from what i recall - there are many potential "causes" that can lead to this occurrence.  standard fight or flight symptomatologies
    .
    you are stressed because of _______________________ (fill in the blank) pain? spouse yelling at you? almost got hit by a car? in danger? issues with co-workers?...... our bodies respond with a stress response.  we hold our breath - bite down (tmj concern) clench our fists - our pupils dilate to increase peripheral vision (for safety) or heart rate increases - blood is shunted (moved) from our peripheral extremities to our major muscle and organs- hands get cold (this way if we are cut .... we bleed less).  we sweat to help cool our bodies down via convection - our muscles tense and tremor.

    these are normal built into our dna cave man/women responses - kill the saber tooth tiger for dinner - or run like (edit) so that you are not the tigers dinner.  either decision we make - our bodies react the same way.  problem is we are not cave people anymore - but our bodies still act like we are and have this stress response.  perfectly abnormally normal.

    there are solutions to this occurrence that require training and more education - commonly called a "relaxation response"
    for more legit info  -----------------------------> https://www.spine-health.com/seek?query=relaxation+response+
    or --------------------------------------> https://books.google.com/books?id=03lew7hfvckc&pg=pa229&lpg=pa229&dq=george+fuller+stress+management&source=bl&ots=dnfqhpmtgc&sig=gu94wheifwcycj_yyejmr67sm-u&hl=en&sa=x&ved=0ahukewjixow_oabrahvn1omkha03bguq6aeindad#v=onepage&q=george fuller stress management&f=false 

    fuller and strobel were founding persons in the stress management "fad" in the early 80's - they have been vital to my ongoing survival in this stress filled world !!  but hey ..... no more sabertooth tigers at least !!! 

    there are solutions.

    warm hands - cold heart,

    mn


  • itsautonomicitsautonomic LouisianaPosts: 2,561
    edited 01/03/2017 - 5:07 PM
    Metalneck is absolutely right and there is a ton of medical evidence on this.  Intense pain initiates a sympathetic response ( fight or flight), constricting the blood vessels in limbs which leads to the cold feeling and the pain meds lowering pain initiates the parasympathetic response ( rest and heal ) and this dialiates the blood vessels bringing warmth back.

    Its one of the leading factors in biofeedback, hacking these parts of the nervous system.

    The over stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system due to intense or under treated pain has long reaching effects on the heart and most organs.  The autonomic system is responsible for alot of this and one of the reasons I struggle heavily with thermoregulation, my systems do not respond in harmonious ying yang as they are supposed to.

    Without either sympathetic or parasympathetic system working one would die of live a terrible life, they are antagonists to the other and necessary for homeostasis of the body.

    For sports fans personal trainers, PT for athletes are now incorporating ways to activate these systems and use them for athletic advantage, healing, training etc.

    Its a fascinating thing to read about if anyone has time, it links to pain and illness significantly.  If you can control these systems you can essentially sometimes control the level of effects the pain can have.  Meditation, aroma therapy, and many other alternative treatments work with these even though they may not come out and properly say it.  
    Do your due dilegence, trust you know your body and question everything if it does not fit. Advocate for yourself and you will be suprised what will be revealed trusting your body and instinct.
  • MetalneckMetalneck The Island of Misfit toysPosts: 1,778
    Once upon a time - in a different life ..... I provided clinical - Psychogalvanic - Thermal - and Electromyographic Bio-feedback training/therapy in the early 1980's and again in the 90's .... or was that another one of those dreams?

    MN 
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  • itsautonomicitsautonomic LouisianaPosts: 2,561
    Metalneck, that is pretty cool. I just bought a biofeedback temperature sensor to work on my foot temperature with see if I can make any changes that help.  I did something similar in therapy but without measuring temperature so wanted to try it.  What i did in therapy helped, if only temporary.
    Do your due dilegence, trust you know your body and question everything if it does not fit. Advocate for yourself and you will be suprised what will be revealed trusting your body and instinct.
  • MetalneckMetalneck The Island of Misfit toysPosts: 1,778
    edited 01/04/2017 - 2:13 PM
    If you were my student (which you are not) (as I am no longer a licensed or certified instructor ....) -

    I would then suggest that you first work on learning to turn on your parasympathetic peripheral vasodilatation via your finger  first.  

    After you have become more familiar with the relaxation response and parasympathy systemically .... then wonk on the various areas of sympathetic vasoconstriction.

    Clear as mud??

    MN
  • itsautonomicitsautonomic LouisianaPosts: 2,561
    Thanks, I will keep that in mind. That stuff fascinates me, even though I wish I never had to learn about it.  I have sympathetic overdrive/dominance, damaged autonomic symptom/nerves of spinal cord, I am always feeling vasoconstriction, cold, painful in limbs.  But when I can get circulation ( vasodilation I assume) its a big help in pain levels.
    Do your due dilegence, trust you know your body and question everything if it does not fit. Advocate for yourself and you will be suprised what will be revealed trusting your body and instinct.
  • MetalneckMetalneck The Island of Misfit toysPosts: 1,778
    edited 01/04/2017 - 4:38 PM
    I was very fortunate to have learned and practiced the gray medical arts many decades ago.  We can learn to control certain aspects of our body - Learning all about the fight or flight sympathetic response and how often in modern life it occurs is critical - More critical is to learn (if so inclined) the relaxation response and your ability to turn on parasympathetic - relaxation ..and vasodilatation ...... at least that's how it was in the alleged dream. 
  • itsautonomicitsautonomic LouisianaPosts: 2,561
    What I am learning about and what shocks me so much in medical field is that the autonomic system and the sympathetic/parasympathetic system are almost always dysfunctional and well documentated as part of the larger diseases such as MS, MD, ALS, some cancer patients etc and many of the smaller disorders.  But when you look for specialists in those areas they are few and far between. Dare I say even most of the neurologists I have seen treat this area as a lesser part of the disorder.
    Do your due dilegence, trust you know your body and question everything if it does not fit. Advocate for yourself and you will be suprised what will be revealed trusting your body and instinct.
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