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What about this procedure

buckeyebackbbuckeyeback Posts: 390
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:32 AM in Back Surgery and Neck Surgery
Anyone had this done?

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I like the approach and the speedy recovery as an alternative to Micro-d. I am looking into this since I live in Ohio and Dayton is one of the two places it is performed.

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  • This whole site is about finding the best way to treat spinal issues with the help of other sufferers!!! ~X( X(

    Okay,...I'll do some "lawyering" and talk around their names when a video would explain it much better. Unreal!

    The procedure I am eluding to takes a caudal approach similar to the Racz procedure (am I allowed to name a procedure?) where they use an "accurascope" to go up and down the spinal canal similar to an elevator going up the spine. They can see bulges/herniations from the bottom up and shrink them with a laser. Anyone have any experience with this technique
  • buckeyeback said:
    This whole site is about finding the best way to treat spinal issues with the help of other sufferers!!! ~X( X(
    Actually this whole site is a business. You can't list doctors or institutions. Unless they are paying the site to advertise for them. Then that is different.

    The site provides a forum for people to discuss back/neck issues as a secondary function.

    So you have to remove the who/where from articles and discuss the process or procedure. This Racz is a new one on me. It's good that people are finding new ideas to discuss. I think we are all kinda bored with the current glue em and screw em techniques... ;-)
  • I never heard of this, but it does sound very intriguing.
  • "accurascope+Dayton+Ohio" and you should get info on what I'm trying to convey. It's a whole new way of looking at the discs surgically. Very fascinating concept. I'm VERY interested in it.

    :)
  • But...

    Is it covered by your insurance? On the old forum we had several discussions about laser surgery. There is a place in FL that does it. Not covered by insurance. There were very mixed reviews of it.

    The axialif method of fusion uses that concept of going up the canal. But you still get cuts in your back for screws etc.


    The Dascor process I started the other thread on. That process for replacing the nucleus of the disc is also new and minimally invasive.

    Once again parts are FDA approved and parts aren't. Most have lots of use in Europe.

    Keep on looking for them buckeye, I know I am.
  • I feel like we are on the cusp of technology that could really repair the disc instead of removing any repalcing. The tissue damage alone causes more problems than it may fix. The "accurascope" website stated that it was covered by most insurance. I'm BWC so I think I may be given more lattitude to have it done.

    I'll stay on the prowl, Z.
  • I have become interested in the Accurascope procedure as well. Anyone have it?
  • I will post the details on another message. I thought it was worth it so far....
  • If its so great less invasive , less post op issues, then why hasn'y any surgeon in NY figured out how to do it>? Is it the medical industrial complex ?
  • I had my second ESI today and my pain doc feels that I would be an excellent candidate for it...We will see how I feel the next 3 weeks and build up our case for the insurance company. The only require authorization, so they have approved previous procedures.

    My understanding is that this procedure is similar to an ESI only with a caudal approach and the doc inserts a catheter via fluorscopy to break up scar tissue and any disc material if they can get it. Once the scar tissue is cleared, they basically then infuse steroids to the area, similar to an ESI. I think this is my last option before I insist on seeing my neurosurgeon. I'm planning on making it count and am thinking of ways to maximize my success! Fingers crossed it gets authorized....
  • How have you done since your procedure? I am looking into it also.
  • How are you doing since your procedure? I am checking into this also. Back issues going on one year. Have tried all the conservative treatments with no improvement. Thanks for input
  • Well, now that they advertise here, at least via Google, we should be able to discuss the procedure freely.
    But I'll play it safe and avoid any references to the providers.
    Look, the only thing that really matters is whether this procedure produces better outcomes than traditional fusion surgeries or discectomies, which have a dismal record.
    I have asked the provider for any information about randomized controlled trials focusing on outcomes. We need this information now. Because if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. (We, the users of spine-health.com, really need to know about anything that could actually help us with our pain.)
    I hope that this is not another "minimally invasive" procedure that is maximally expensive and minimally effective.
    I've also asked them to provide disclosure on their financial interests in the center and in any makers of devices they use.
    I would like to hear from buckeyeback about his experience. Are you feeling better??
    Thanks,
    P
  • watchyurback said:

    Look, the only thing that really matters is whether this procedure produces better outcomes than traditional fusion surgeries or discectomies, which have a dismal record.
    I'm all for newer/better procedures and we should all be doing research on it.

    However your statement that "fusion and discectomy has a dismal record". I'm not sure I buy that. I'd like to see real statistics on that. Most on here have bad records because sites like this attract failed surgeries. It gives people an outlet to complain about "modern medicine"...

    Now that aside. I do agree that in general a fusion, of any type, with hardware. It's pretty crude when you think about it. Basically make some glue/paste out of bone material. Then stick if between the bones. Then take nuts and bolts and rods and screw it all together to hold the spine. Waiting for the "glue to dry", fusion.

    Graham
  • Z06 said:

    I'm all for newer/better procedures and we should all be doing research on it.

    However your statement that "fusion and discectomy has a dismal record". I'm not sure I buy that. I'd like to see real statistics on that. Most on here have bad records because sites like this attract failed surgeries. It gives people an outlet to complain about "modern medicine"...

    Graham
    Howdy Graham,

    Have to disagree a tiny bit here my friend. *HUG* I don't think it is so much "sites like this..." it might be more that those of us that need support of others in similar situations come here, sure, but many who "get better" no longer need this site or other support sites. So we don't know how many turned out well...right? There are a few that stay on the sites (as positive success role models) too. I do that on a Ulnar site I am on. I had the surgery, and feel it was a success, so I still monitor and post so others going through transpositions know that there is a chance of success. :-) See, I disagreed, but agreed sort of? Be good, stay safe my friend!!!

    Brenda
    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.

  • It looks very interesting.
    My surgeon in UK teaches other surgeons the technique for AxiaLIF on L5/S1 level fusions.
    This looks to use the same technique, but going higher and removing obstructing disc and scar tissue.

    I'm not sure that it would be suitable for me because of my misaligned spine, but it is great to hear that they are developing new techniques.

  • Thanks to those who commented on my remark about the "dismal record" of fusion surgery and dicectomy. I say so only because there really is no evidence that fusion surgery is any better than non-invasive treatment. I've scoured the scientific literature and there is nothing to support the notion that fusion surgery is better in the long run than physical therapy or even a back-care education course (both have been control groups in research studies). There is some short-term benefit from discectomy for patients with sciatica. However, in many cases the benefit is short-lived as the disc tends to reherniate.
    I actually don't think this site attracts primarily those who are unhappy with their outcomes. There's no reason to think the "success stories" wouldn't stop by to tell of their new pain-free (or pain-relieved) lives. In almost two years of researching the issue, I have not found anyone who can claim long-term (i.e. around two years) success from fusion surgery. There may be an initial phase of relief just from surviving the ordeal of surgery.
    In many cases, pain shifts from one part of the spine to another in fusion cases because the load is taken up by adjacent segments. Then the question becomes whether to have more surgery and on and on, until the entire lumbar spine is fused.
    Well, don't take it from me. Look at the research that's out there.
    If you have benefited from fusion surgery, I'd love to hear your story. Please post it here.
    Thanks,
    P
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