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Severe Back/Neck Pain - Medical Marijuana Help?

moonbeammmoonbeam Posts: 1
edited 04/05/2014 - 6:27 AM in Pain Medications
Has anyone had relief from severe chronic neck, shoulder, thorasic and lumbar pain, using medical marijuana?

PJ
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  • I recommend that you check out these two recent threads and also use the search box at the top of the page and look for some older threads.

    "C"


    http://www.spine-health.com/forum/pain-medications/thc-dont-want-controvesy-just-honest-answers-some-s

    http://www.spine-health.com/forum/alternative-treatments/medical-marijuanawhat-do-ya-think-man
  • I will often use an Indica strain of marijuana for neck pain caused by degenerative disc disease, arthritis and several car wrecks. I am 51 years old. My neck pain causes migraine headaches as well.
    The marijuana works quite well for the pain and I recommend it if you can tolerate it. Do yourself a favor and read up on some of the side effects first. Marijuana takes a little "getting used to." I prefer to take cannabis oil over smoking it though as the oil seems to work better and last longer. But I often will smoke it with good results. Sometimes, if the pain is really bad (usually the migraine) the marijuana alone will not work and I will take an OTC with it. Never needed a narcotic or prescription muscle relaxer since using the marijuana though. Good luck.
  • needs to discuss the use of "MM" with their doctor PRIOR to smoking or using it.......otherwise, you can find yourself dismissed from pain management if you don't get an okay prior to using.
    While some states have recently allowed MM , many pm practices have policies in place that do not allow for any use of illegal narcotics and the use of "MM" is still illegal according to the federal government, which supercedes any state laws. So, if you use and have not obtained permission from your provider, you can be and most likely will be dismissed.
  • JMB said:
    I will often use an Indica strain of marijuana for neck pain caused by degenerative disc disease, arthritis and several car wrecks. I am 51 years old. My neck pain causes migraine headaches as well.

    The marijuana works quite well for the pain and I recommend it if you can tolerate it. Do yourself a favor and read up on some of the side effects first. Marijuana takes a little "getting used to." I prefer to take cannabis oil over smoking it though as the oil seems to work better and last longer. But I often will smoke it with good results. Sometimes, if the pain is really bad (usually the migraine) the marijuana alone will not work and I will take an OTC with it. Never needed a narcotic or prescription muscle relaxer since using the marijuana though. Good luck.
    I've applied for my mm card in my state, but I haven't ventured too far into the "finding the goods" part and it looks complicated. My question for you is about cost, cost of cannabis oil, how much do you need to use, and do you build up a resistance over time causing one to have to use more as time goes on? I am so over Norco and not even thinking about venturing into Oxy or opioid patches as suggested by the doc. All of them are killers in their own way and I don't find they really help to get me out of pain and more mobile. I'm 64 and I'm going for the cannabis as a last resort; I will not live on, or die from, opioids! . My pain doc has done two epidurals and three lumber facet blocks The epidural for my neck worked, but not much lasing luck on anything else. Steroids seem to work really well, but that's a whole other poison I'm not going to take. Any information on cannabis strains and oil will be appreciated Thanks!
  • thoracic spine painthoracic spine pain Posts: 566
    edited 04/16/2014 - 1:22 AM
    Post edited after reading Sandi's link and Dumbledore's comments - looking at addiction from another viewpoint. I had no idea how addictive Kratom is.

    You only get mildly physically addicted to cannabis. Any addiction issues are psychological. There are mild physical withdrawal symptoms from long term use. Some cannabis has other addictive substances mixed into it.

    Make sure you get the medical strain if trying it. Any other strains could heighten your senses and make your pain worse.

    There is another substance which is legal in the USA called Kratom. (Sandi's post pointed out it is not legal in all States). It is a natural herbal plant - so is cannabis. Kratom. Some people on the site have used it and reported good results.

    EDIT - below I have put the effects of Kratom. It is illegal where I live so had never heard of it before the people on SH started discussing it was good for pain. I have now researched the substance and copied the information below for anyone who wants to follow up.
  • sandisandi Posts: 6,269
    edited 04/15/2014 - 11:04 AM
    Natural does NOT mean that it is safe or without significant side effects. It also has no legitimate medical purpose in the US
    http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drug_chem_info/kratom.pdf
  • I have a friend your age who has tried medical marijuana for the same reason. First you need to be aware that many pain management doctors do not approve of its use. If you're in PM & have signed a contract you need to consider this. She simply went to one of the marijuana 'clinics' & explained her situation. They were very helpful & recommended a special 'pain blend'. She finds it helpful particularly with relaxation & sleep.

    Kratom is a very different thing. Please reaserch this before you consider it's use. There are some very bad stories in the UK where they are pushing to have it banned.
    Osteoarthritis & DDD.
  • edited 04/15/2014 - 1:06 PM
    When I tried MM years ago I only found it helpful only in that the 'high' makes you spacey and distracts you from the pain, in that sense it worked pretty well.

    So I didn't find any direct pain killing properties aside from the distraction part of it, then again I think distractions provide some of the best pain relief, I just prefer non-drug distractions, i.e. family, friends, work, hobbies, movies, TV, reading.

    Ultimately, to me, the side effects(the high, drowsiness, trouble socializing) were not worth the relief(which was little, in my experience). Though opiods are considered and are in fact, more 'heavy duty' drugs, I still find I'm much more functional, in both pain relief and clarity of mind, on prescription meds than I was on MM. Then again everyone is different so don't take my word as bible, the previous poster seems to have a very positive reaction.

    Also I've heard some people have had great results with relief from muscle spasms, I think the chemical CBD may have to do with this and as opposed to THC, CBD is supposedly non psychoactive. I'm definitely interested in more scientific research into this as I've heard this chemical has done wonders for people suffering from severe epilepsy and MS related muscle spasms.

    Anyone have any more info specifically regarding muscle spasms and MM?

    I've been interested in the idea of this lately as I'm currently bedridden with a flare up of muscle spasms.
  • edited 04/15/2014 - 1:07 PM
    As to the marijuana is not addictive argument, I beg to differ.

    , I beg to differ. I believe it is indeed physically addictive, though very mildly. In my town(Coastal California) there is and was an abundance of 'stoners' growing up, so I'm quite familiar with the plant. Many of the heavy smokers who I knew that quit cold turkey had insomnia and a weak appetite for the first few day to couple weeks after quitting. I believe an australian study recently confirmed this.

    Besides, my argument for physical addiction aside, psychological addiction is still something to take seriously, after all cocaine isn't physically addicting either yet that doesn't mean you can't get seriously addicted to it. I've personally seen first hand the effects of marijuana addiction and while it isn't life threatening, it still can be very detrimental, I've had one to many 'burnout' friends because of the drug. But, from what I've see it takes many months fir people to start to get seriously addicted to the drug so the addiction seems very slow building and also the majority of people don't seem to develop an addiction at all whatsoever. If you're using it in a clinical sense I would think psychological addiction is even further unlikely.

    The reason I'm saying all this is not because I'm against medical marijuana or even recreational marijuana, in fact, I'm pro legalisation, but I think it's important to be realistic about the facts as well. It's an issue that is very blindly polarized, conservatives demonize it but liberals also idolize the drug when in fact the truth lies in between.
  • You are quite right. I did some more research. It can have a weak physical addiction. So addiction is difficult to define - a gambling addict does not have physical withdrawal symptoms. I totally agree with you a psychological addiction - smoking for one, can do as much damage as a physical addiction.

    The truth does lie somewhere in between.

    I guess my response was a gut response as I know a few people who tell me they are addicted to maryjane, and need to smoke it every day to be 'normal'. I have lent them money when I have caved in at times. I have never seen the money again.

    People have borrowed money which I later found out was for gambling, alcohol and heroin. It is strange that I understood gambling addiction, nicotine, herion and alcohol addiction but never thought of MJ as addictive.

    I agree psychological addiction can be just as harmful as physical addiction. I was looking at it from an extremely narrow viewpoint. Thank you for expanding the definition of addiction. I find it interesting, on reflection, that I had related to and accepted so many other physical and psychological addictions but had never classed MJ in that category.
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