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At What Point Should I Give Up?

dharvellddharvell Posts: 98
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:46 AM in Neck Pain: Cervical
Finally visited a pain clinic, last month. Got a series of injections - none of which worked. My follow-up appointment was today. During the appointment, the doctor suggested that I should NOT be seeking help from neurologists, neurosurgeons, or even pain clinic doctors - I should, instead, seek a behavioral psychologist, as my pain "is more than likely in my head". He then proceeded to accuse me of being a drug addict, even though I follow my prescriptions very closely and have NEVER asked for a refill before a refill was due.

I have exhausted every Michigan doctor I can think of, from around my home to as far as 200 miles away. All I get is accusations that I am making things up, the pain is imaginary, or that I am simply seeking drugs to fulfill my "addictions". All of this, even though I have several MRIs showing the damage, medical reports calling my c-spine condition "severe", and simple x-rays that give a glimpse as to the issues going on in my neck.

I feel worthless (as a drug addict should), and as though I am a complete psycho (since I'm making up my pain to the point of physically changing my spine's position to support my imaginary pain). At this point, I am at a loss. I like to think that I am made of pretty stern stuff, but at this point, I would like nothing, but to simply die and return to the dust from which I came.

If doctors won't listen, who do I turn to?


  • First of all, never give up on yourself. When we are all that is left to fight the fight, we have to stand in there, take the hits and come out swinging to survive.

    I thought my PM doc was going overboard when he recommended I see the behavioral pain psych. However, since I trust my PM doc and trust myself, figured I had nothing to lose and it would "check off the box" saying I saw the pain therapist. Much to my surprise, he was not only worth going to talk to, he became a very strong advocate for me with the rest of my docs. They all became like a mini committee to figure out the best plan to help me.

    Another thing that came of me going to see this guy, was I showed my PM doc and surgeon that I was willing to do what ever they asked me to and that I was working as hard at getting ahead of my pain as they were. It was a token of good faith in a manner of speaking. Besides, what did I have to lose? I was already overwhelmed as it was, so I figured I had nothing to lose and went. Best move I ever made. It energized my docs and they pulled out all the stops and worked hard to help me.

    I have no idea how much your situation could hinge on a simple meeting like mine did ... but what have you got to lose? You already feel like there's no where else to turn. So what do you have to lose by going to see this guy/gal? You basically have everything to gain.

    I'm sorry that you are feeling like you are. It stinks. However, there's always a way. It's just that sometimes it isn't quite the way we thought it should be.

  • I did agree to see the behavioral therapist, at the end of the visit. I figured, after the first visit, I will have a good idea if further visits will be worth it, or not. I DID think additional visits with my pain clinic doctor would be worth it. I was excited for today's visit. I think I was blind-sided to be told (straight out) that my pain is imaginary and I am nothing more than a drug addict looking for stronger drugs. That attitude makes me want to take every piece of advice that doc gives and trash it. It's obvious that this doctor has no respect for me, so I have no respect for the doctor, nor his decisions.

    Perhaps the behavioral psychologist will have a better attitude toward things and actually want to help out. If so, great. If not... I seriously have no idea where to go, next. I have drained every option here in Western Michigan.
  • Dharvell,

    While I completely understand today was a ver frustrating day for you at your doctor's office, try and stay the course and think positive about this meeting. C, gave some great advice. I am not sure how many visits you have had with your current doctor, but it takes so much time to build trust and a relationship with your doctor. But, whatever you do you can't give up it may take a few months of talking with this doctor to get some understanding and trust working between the two of you.

    This is kind of how I handle things with my doctors. I never walk in and say doctor i hurt all over the place or give them generic answers. I usually walk in with a plan, and something I want answered. Sense I need to see them monthly, I just use one question or two to get answers too. I kind of look at like this I didn't get in this shape over night and it isn't going to change over night. I am lucky that I have full confidence and faith in my doctors decisions and choices. I had one doctor wanting to move me to a higher class of meds, while the other one said no don't do it, let me figure this out, but it will take time. Well I took the pain for sometime while he worked on a answer for me. Now mind you that took a little over 8 months to come to a resolution. It did end in surgery, but I am no where near the level of meds they were moving me too. Should it have taken that long? well I will never know, I can only look at the end results and it was so far a good solution for all of us involved. During that time we did do some more injections, diagonistic and relief wise. I have never had success with them before but said sure I will try it again, you never know. Little to my surprise they changed up the injections and the meds they were using from before to change the outcome some what to see how I would respond. I guess the point I am trying to make is when he said injections I thought to myself sure this will be same song and dance, but it wasn't. Like I said they changed the mixture of meds going in. But no matter it also showed how serious I was at getting some relief.

    Now tomorrow I will be returning to the doctor and top of my list is not meds, it is a new ten's unit. Sure I will mention the meds but first will be the ten's unit. I never make my meds the primary goal of going to my doctor. Those are a given and I am not really in for changing them or going higher. I am also one that will say whatelse you have doc? Any new muscle relaxer's out there to try or nerve meds. It often times makes filling my opiates easier, but I am very serious in that questioning.

    So as C said I would go and check it out maybe this is the answer to what you need. Doc's like to know you tried the things they are suggesting and for the most part are trying to find something to work with you on. So hang in there maybe this will be a god send to you. Take care and keep us posted.
  • Don't give up looking for a PM Dr. to help you. How about a Physiatrist? I think they can control your meds as well as injections. My PM Dr. only gives my injections and glad my family Dr. prescribes my meds. If possible bring someone with you if you ever meet with that Dr. again.

    Never stop believing in yourself and you're important as a person and certainly not worthless. Wishing you positive thoughts. Charry
    DDD of lumbar spine with sciatica to left hip,leg and foot. L4-L5 posterior disc bulge with prominent facets, L5-S1 prominent facets with a posterior osteocartilaginous bar. Mild bilateral foraminal narrowing c-spine c4-c7 RN
  • @TAMTAM - I should point out that meds were NOT the primary point I brought to the doctor, today, either. In fact, I just expected to get some injections and leave. My wife, however, brought a list of concerns that SHE had, observing me from her point of view. The doctor made it clear from the beginning that he had no intention to listen to my wife. He interrupted her and remade the point that the pain is imaginary and I am probably a drug seeker who is addicted to the medications a different doctor prescribed. The entire visit was rather odd, to say the least. This was only my second meeting with this doctor. However, this entire circus has been going on for SIX YEARS. Over the six years, I have been passed from doctor to doctor, as each doctor I visit makes it clear that they have no desire to work with me, because of my age. "A 36 year old is too young to have the problems you have. Since you're too you, I want you out of my office. No need for a follow-up". Those words have actually been SAID to me by 2 of the 11 doctors I have seen, thus far. Because of the way the local doctors have treated me, regardless of the MRIs, medical reports, x-rays, etc., topped with six years of constant pain... that is the source of my wanting to just give up and live silently in pain. I literally feel trapped in my body. I don't know, perhaps the behavioral psychologist may have some valid input. I sure hope so. I think if I am accused of imagining my pain by one more doctor, that will be the limit of what I can handle.

    @CHARRY - Thanks for the kind words. I did have my wife with me, but the pain clinic doctor had no interest in what she had to say. He interrupted her, immediately, making it known that her opinion did not matter in the grand scheme of things. This was only my second meeting with this doctor, but he definitely comes across as the type of doctor who "knows it all" and "is always right". The only explanation, according to this doctor, is that I am imagining my pain and I am simply a drug addict. Excellent way to make a person who is already hurting physically feel like a complete loser, emotionally... even though I know the doctor is wrong. Kind of makes it feel like I am trapped with this pain with nobody to turn to, since none of the area doctors are willing to listen (I've been to 11 doctors in the 6 years the problem has existed). Thanks again and best wishes to you!
  • dharvell,

    First off, I am so sorry to hear you are not getting (what I call) proper relief and or attention from your present doctors. Have you ever watched the show "Mystery Diagnosis?" Not to say that is what you are. I bring that up because the show (patients) shows very well that there are times that you have to be persistent and a strong self advocate to find a doctor that will listen, and will LOOK at you as a person with true issues, that need diagnosis and treatment!

    Please don't give up an 'live silently in pain', as that is a self induced sentence NO ONE should have in my honest opinion!!! *HUGZ* Personally, if my PM treated me like yours, I would have lost it! In closing, sadly under 40 without a traumatic accident or something similar, they don't always take you seriously as you are possibly finding out. Please don't give up, okay?? Support *HUGZ* to you!!

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • @AVIATRIX36440 - Thanks for the kind words. I have seen "Mystery Diagnosis". My wife and I have a strange fascination with shows such as that. She was a CNA a few years ago, which gives her a very strong liking for medical shows. She's also one for a good mystery, so that show gives her the best of both worlds! As for the pain, it is a 6-years-in-the-running issue that has a rather extensive documented history, including MRI reports, Xrays, et al. But, as you said, since I am under the age of 40, they do not seem to look seriously at my condition. And that really scares the heck out of me, for my daughter's sake. See... the problem is genetic, I believe. My grandmother on my father's side had a similar medical history as I have. My father has a history similar to what I am experiencing. Of course, I have the issues, now. And my 9-year-old daughter was just diagnosed with Juvenile Arthritis, last month. She is getting really good care at the Helen DeVos Children's Hospital in Grand Rapids, MI. Sadly, though, they don't have a Hospital For 30-Somethings that I can look into! =] After 6 years of fighting, it is SO tempting to just throw in the towel and try it again when I'm 50. But, for my family's sake (and for the sake of my sanity), I'll keep the fight. I'm afraid I will have to go back into the ring with the gloves off, though! Thanks and best to you!
  • You're Welcome!!! :) Now, NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! on giving up, okay!!! Your post gave me more thought. Have you per chance told your Neurologist of your family history with spine issues to include arthritis? That can be a biggie for sure! Since you guys are fans of medical shows, to include Mystery Diagnosis, you should know for sure NOT to give up, but KEEP trying to find that doctor that will look at YOU, and NOT your age. Make sense?

    I crashed a helicopter at the ripe old (not) age of 22 (1984), and have dealt with my lower back mainly since then. In my forties is when disks started going south on me. Until what, ?? the mid 90's MRI wasn't really used, but x-ray. I could have had disk issues back then, but didn't know. I did know my back would "go out" on me a lot. I was given shots (no help), but tens and chiropractor for me back then did wonders!!! A person in their 20's hurting??? Can't happen, right? I was never given drugs, kind of told "take two Aspirin and call me next week" kind of responses. Fortunately back then chiro 101 worked good for me!

    Main reason for my background - I never gave up. So you're not allowed (G), okay? Support *HUGZ*

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • I'm glad that you did agree to see the behavioral therapist. That should give you the chance you need to voice your concerns over how you have or have not been treated. Go with an open mind and no expectations and I'll keep my fingers crossed that it is a positive experience for you.

    One thing that I found out the hard way, was that doctors see things differently than patients do. I recently got a referral to a new Pain Clinic because I moved, and the referral was a request for guidance on changing out some of my daily meds. My PCP wanted guidance. So this new PM doc instead recommended starting with botox, then a bunch of selective muscle denervations and then a second SCS for my leg pain. My husband and I were upset because in our minds this new doc did not address the referral request. When I went back to my PCP and told him how disappointed I was that this PM doc didn't address the medication issue at all, he floored me by saying "well yes, technically he did." I could feel my face turn beat red, but I held myself in check and listened to my PCP say that by offering these "procedures", that the PM doc was addressing the meds, by trying to attack the problem interventionally. Fortunately my PCP was willing to request a second opinion and that PM doc had a significantly different approach.

    I'm not trying to say that your doc didn't really say the things you claim, what I'm trying to say is maybe he has some other reason for saying what he did or maybe he doesn't even realize how he came across. Also, I would be willing to bet that when your doc saw you have been to 10 other docs in 6 years, that it set off alarm bells. Whether justified or not, the bells probably went off. So you are definitely behind the power curve between the age and the musical docs.

    Well please keep us posted on how it goes with the behavioral therapist. How soon were you able to get an appointment? Hopefully sooner rather than later.

    People do care,

  • This seems to be happening all too often: people in their 20's-30's who have pain issues being treated very poorly, as drug seekers or delusional ("its all in your head").

    I find it very upsetting to see people treated this way. I don't get it: you have MRIs, x-rays, reports, your wifes support; what else do they need to take your problem seriously??

    Please do not give up! As Brenda said: mention the family history. Unfortunately, in this day and age, you have to bust your butt and be your own advocate. When you are in chronic pain, this can be hard.

    Keep us posted, good luck.

  • But you've been to many doctors and been told the same thing. You are on very high doses of narcotics without a clear diagnosis, and are shopping for PM doctors to match the diagnosis you feel you should have, rather than the diagnosis that you are getting.

    I actually disagree with the status quo. I believe you are doctor shopping, and I think you need to see the therapist. I think it's likely that you do have an issue with the medications that has taken on a life of its own.

    Until you can get that cleared up, you're not going to be able to deal with the pain issue on its own. But anyone who has been to every doctor in a major metropolitan area and not liked their response has to start thinking about doctor shopping and why that is considered drug seeking behavior.

    Also, read the Spine-Health article on DDD. You'll find it described not as a disease process but as a normal aging process.
  • MetalneckMetalneck Island of Misfit toysPosts: 1,364
    Hey D,

    As most of us know (via Papa Ron)? Pain is THE BEAST.

    We can choose to continue to fight the beast with every ounce of strength that we can muster - or we can choose to give up. (which I believe is against Gods and natures desires for us). (I still fight with that one daily myself). Why would a doc take on the liability of RX-ing meds that could easily lead to liver damage - and potential overdose - etc. and liability - when they can simply refer you to a "pain specialist" for another round of worthless ESI injections @ $800 - $900 a pop??.

    If anyone asks me about my pain ... I show them an x-ray of my neck .... there are no more questions but gasps and oh mys. Have you gotten into the habit of bringing your images to each and any of the docs that you are seeing? - As I like to say .... a picture is worth 1000 words. (See avatar) .... insert gasp.

    Did you get your SSD? .... if so ... you should be goning to every length to get appropriate treatment. This is now your full time job. I hear that Friendly Ferndale and Royal Oak have disperseries for the stuff thats still illegle in our other 36 states. Have you tried that for some relief?

    My thoughts, concerns, and solidarity is with you.
    Feel free to contact me at anytime.

    Spine-health Moderator
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  • @HAPPYHBMOM - I like how you make assumptions in pure ignorance. I HAVE a diagnosis. The doctors KNOW what is going on. But they DON'T want to treat it, because, even though I have all of the evidence needed to be considered DISABLED, the doctors do NOT want to treat me BECAUSE OF MY AGE (I'm 36).

    So, before you spout nonsense, why not take a couple of minutes to figure out the facts.

    Sure... DDD is a normal part of aging, but not for a 30-year-old to have SEVERE narrowing of nerve pathways, numbness of limbs, chronic headaches, et al. I say 30, because this has been going on for 6 years. SIX YEARS OF CHRONIC PAIN, BECAUSE DOCTORS IN THIS AREA DO NOT WANT TO DO ANYTHING FOR SUCH A "YOUNG PATIENT". So, what am I SUPPOSED to do? Go to a so-called specialist, be told that I am too young to work on, even though they have all of the evidence they need to help me, go home and say, "Okay, I'll live with disabling pain until I'm 50?" HELL... NO. I will keep looking for a doctor who is WILLING to help me.

    Doctor shopping? Yeah, I guess. Shopping for a doctor who will do SOMETHING to help me! Whether that SOMETHING is medication, surgery, injections... I don't care. I should NOT have to live in terrible pain for 20 years until I am deemed "old enough" to pay attention to.

    Get facts before waste my time.
  • METALNECK - I did, indeed, get my SSD! In fact, after reviewing all of the evidence (MRIs, X-rays, doctor notes, etc.), the judge entered a bench decision, rather than waiting the typical 2 weeks, or so to judge. The judge entered that decision with the AGREEMENT that I would aggressively seek medical help. I did, however, warn the judge of my bad luck with area doctors up to that point. He gave me a very "knowing" nod and said to just keep fighting. The fight is really draining, lately, because NOBODY in the medical field will listen, if you're under the age of 50 (the exact words of a neurosurgeon I saw just 2 months ago). My fight has taken me to a pain clinic where I have received 2 different sets of injections. The first set did nothing and it's too early to know if the second set helped. But, it was this last visit to the pain clinic where the doctor told me that it is all in my head, because I'm too young to have any of this happening (never mind all of the medical records sent his way...).

    It's a very draining path. At this point, I have no idea what to do. I will see the behavioral therapist to show good faith. Maybe the therapist will have some insight as to where to take my fight...? I will definitely bring some of my most recent pictures to that meeting to show that it is NOT in my head... it's in my NECK! =]
  • dharvell said:

    < Snip >

    Sure... DDD is a normal part of aging, but not for a 30-year-old to have SEVERE narrowing of nerve pathways, numbness of limbs, chronic headaches, et al. "Okay, I'll live with disabling pain until I'm 50?" HELL... NO. I will keep looking for a doctor who is WILLING to help me.
    I fully agree with you D on the DDD. You're a wee young to have so much of it! My "Bravo" is for your closing... "not giving up". Bravo to you!!!

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • MetalneckMetalneck Island of Misfit toysPosts: 1,364
    The short answer ..... NEVER GIVE UP !!!

    Some additional unsolicited perspectives and personal opinion ... (Lucky you all).

    1. Your med load is NOT all that great .... I and others have been on (or are on) MUCH more meds than your current load. The trick .... UAD (Use as directed). I'd Get concerned if you were to go down the Fentnyl ... Oxycontin ... Methadone ... route. Been there done that.

    2. Anything that end in the word DISEASE .... is not "normal".

    3. I am still fighting with SSD for benefits even with my picture worth 1000 words, and other medical emotional conditions ... so do be greatful for what you do have. My pathologies have and will cause me to continue to lose everything I have worked over 30+ years for ... My House .... NO insurance ... my marriage .... 401K .... what the heck is that? ... Smart cell phones with groovy new aps? .... oh please! The one thing I refuse to allow this DISEASE to take is my sanity. (Yes this is a daily effort also).

    4. We all love to compare and contrast our own situations to others that are similar .... (I'm guilty!) But you and only you can fully understand your pain level .... stress ... situations .... etc.
    Please don't allow the unkowing and persons, without exactally your same situation to get you upset. Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
    I beleive that we all mean well ... but sometimes the ... Luv and Hugz get lost in translation.

    Fight the good fight .... focus on what is positive in your life. Avoid awfullism. (newer word .... love it!) And build relationships directly with people that do, and will understand what you are going through .... and not attempt to judge, compare, contrast, or complain.

    Also when I am really feeling down .... i take a quick visit to the following forum .... Mods .... its an .EDU so it should be ok?? http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/search.php?searchid=11513516

    Sorry for the rant .... my 3 cents worth. I will shut up now and wait for a mod to sanction me for something I said. (Paranoia).

    I will add you to my prayer list .... Which is now on an excel spreadsheet.

    Warmest regards,

    Spine-health Moderator
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  • Hey dharvell, I too can relate to what you're sharing. I began to have serious neck pain and mobility issues when I was in my early 20's due to overly strenuous sports/physical activity. Prior to this time, I had not been a sickly child whatsoever. My very first experience was after a "snapping" in my back that started a series of classic pinched nerve sx's down my R arm (I had no idea what a pinched nerve was). Rushed to the Dr's office, he took one look at me and told me I needed to see a psychiatrist because I had made up the symptoms!(how could I make it up when I didn't even know what the hell they were!) That was the beginning of a 30 yr span of being told the same thing as you - that I was too young to have DDD/DJD (that I "shouldn't be having this type of pain" {no shit!}, etc). I've run the course of Chiro's, PT, exercise, injections, etc. Since I am a child sexual abuse survivor and have a hx of ptsd and other related mental health issues, I have been told or had insinuated countless times that it's a psych problem (in spite of the evidence). Often times I would go to a chiro or PT and they'd be excited to have such a "complicated" case and up for the challenge, only in the end to be scratching their head and insisting I had a "systemic" problem. In 1997 I began having Neurological sx's that started me on a path with various Neuro docs. Blood tests affirmed some type of auto-immune/rheumatological condition. The insinuations started up again (mind you, I've been seeing therapists for years now and growing stronger and healthier) with comments like "you're an enigma". My dx's have ranged anywhere from Conversion Disorder to Vasculitis of the CNS. The final straw came after a major seizure-type episode where my other neuro sx's and balance issues came to light along w/back/neck related problems, only to have the pompass neuro state "it's emotional - I've NEVER seen anyone w/balance problems like that". He told me I must have unresolved abuse issues that are converting to these neuro sx's. Unbelievable. But just to give him the benefit of the doubt, I began seeing a fantastic therapist who not only did in fact help me resolve some very significant unresolved emotional issues, but she helped me see how intimidated and afraid of doctors I had become. She was amazed that I had gone so long in pain and discomfort b/c of my fear of being told I was a "nut case" or just wanting pain meds (it's hard for me to even take 2 Vicodin a day). She helped me realize that I WASN'T a nut case and that these docs had intimidated me into being afraid to advocate for my own healthcare. I made a decision to change my medical group of docs and started taking my husband or a dogmatic friend with me each time I went. With my plan you can change or see any PCP in the group until you find one you like so that's what I did. Any doctor that shows a condescending attitude gets eliminated! The docs I have now listen and are actively involved instead of dismissing me. I finally realized that all the "blowing off" that had occurred earlier was largely due to the incompetent group of docs I had been seeing for years. Things are different now but of course I'm 53 and my body is really showing a steady progression of neuro/muscosk problems! It pisses me off sometimes b/c had they addressed these issues earlier in my life instead of pointing me to a damn psychiatrist (which I already had), or telling me I was simply "too young for all this", I wouldn't be walking with a cane, sitting with intense pain and scheduled for a neck surgery on Monday!
    All this to say.....don't give up! You know your body the best and it sounds like you know yourself pretty good too. If a doctor visit causes you to come away feeling like shit and questioning your own values and legitimate concerns, then there is obviously something wrong with the doctor and not you! It's a crappy system but keep pursuing your health in the name of truth. You know if you're an addict or not, pure and simple. Each doc has a different perspective of taking narcs and b/c so many are addicted these days, they're a bit on the hyper side. Lastly, personally, I would submit a report about this doctor and his total rudeness and lack of bedside manner. Hospitals/Medical Inst. are in tremendous competition these days and many (like mine) are seeking the highest recommendation so they need the feedback. I've written letters to the hospital, filled out surveys and filed a complaint with the medical board re: the Neurologist who dismissed my neuro sx's as emotional.
    Good luck my friend and have faith in yourself and your own judgment.
  • j.howiejj.howie Brentwood, Ca., USAPosts: 1,730
    You've been given excellent advice here. But I would like to add that you should be looking at spinal specialist. Namely a orthopedic surgeon that specializes in cervical issues. They know that age is not a factor.
    Good luck, Jim
    Click my name to see my Medical history
    You get what you get, not what you deserve......I stole that from Susan (rip)
    Today is yours to embrace........ for tomorrow, who knows what might be starring you in the face!
  • Metalneck said:

    1. Your med load is NOT all that great .... I and others have been on (or are on) MUCH more meds than your current load. The trick .... UAD (Use as directed). I'd Get concerned if you were to go down the Fentnyl ... Oxycontin ... Methadone ... route. Been there done that.
    There are many people who are taking oxycontin and fentanyl without problems. There are also people who follow doctor's advice who do have problems. The "med load" has to be in proportion to the "pain load."

    The question is, how does a doctor determine how much pain a person has? Not just by asking them. They look, they watch, they look at their x-rays and medical records. It is a holistic process.

    So if someone walks into more than one PM office and is told "there is a problem here" I would say there is probably something there. That at some point the meds overtook the pain as the issue of importance. Certainly that happens to many people, that they have an injury or pain and need help getting off the meds.

    On a board like this we might see a lot of people on that much Norco, but that's the maximum dose (yes, yes, I know doctors use more than that) and I promise my doctor wouldn't use it lightly. It's an awful lot of meds for someone who insists that nobody will treat his problem.

    I'm sorry if I am wrong- it will not be the first time. But this reminds me of the story of the man on the roof of the house in a flood. A helicopter comes, and the man says "No thanks, God will save me." A boat comes and the guy says "No thanks, God will save me." The rescuers keep coming and he keeps sending them away. Finally he starves to death and when he sees God in heaven he says "Why didn't you save me?" God says "What?! I sent a helicopter, a canoe, a boat, and so on!"

  • Thank you, all, for the encouraging words. Of course, that does not include HappyHBMom, which said you "may be wrong"... you do not know my situation, so don't pretend to.

    I will now say "good bye" to all, as a certain administrator deliberately misunderstood my intentions and refused to listen to my point of view. I appreciate the POSITIVE support that this forum is supposed to produce and DOES produce in many cases. However, a certain admin has made it known that it is acceptable for those who do NOT know the situation I am in to make outlandish accusations. Heck, even this particular admin made his few outlandish accusations.

    Because of that, thanks to all who have given me hope.

    Best of luck to all of you who know pain and continue to seek relief. I hope you find it whether here or elsewhere.

  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 9,868
    Administrator was me.

    I may not have agreed with the wording that HappyHBMom used in responding to some of dharvell's posts, but his public 'flogging' of her is something that we will never tolerate.

    Ron DiLauro Spine-Health System Administrator
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences
    You can email me at: rdilauro@veritashealth.com
  • for such a lengthy post! Guess I got a bit carried away when I saw dharvell's plight. :))) The input here is great and I hope to get acquainted with more of you and your support.
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