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Heel pain.. something new

backache99backache99 Posts: 1,314
edited 06/11/2012 - 7:51 AM in Chronic Pain
as if i haven't enough to worry about ,,i now get heel pain in my right leg {that's the one i always have problems with } its not the worst pain i have had but its not good .any ideas? could this be something to do with my ever crumbling lower spine ...my last MRI said that L4/L4 AND S 1 have collapsed into each other ..the MRI 6 months ago said that L4;L5 were only partially collapsed ..so from that one can deduce that things are getting worse ..i was just wondering if there was a nerve that controls the heel in the damaged area of my spine ..anyone ??
t
1997 laminectomy
2007 repeat laminectomy and discectomy L4/L5
2011 ALIF {L4/L5/S1}
2012 ? bowel problems .still under investigation
2014 bladder operation may 19th 2014
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  • That's L4-L5 - down the side of the leg and to the heel. I have this pain, and I jokingly call it my "snake bite" because - I guess I just imagine it's like a little snake bit my heel. Actually - it was the one thing that my epidural steroid injection helped me with - haven't had it for months. But my real pain is in my back - I don't have bad sciatic/radiating pain. My right foot will feel kind of swollen and burning at the end of the day sometimes, and I just wrap the icepack around it - numb it a bit.
  • It could be bone spurs, they are quite common in the heel area and they do cause pain. A simple X-ray will show them if this is the case.
  • I have horrible heel pain in both heels from my back injury. I would get it check to see what is happening.
    L1 - S2 "gone" useless in 1 way or another. DDD. RA. Bone Spurs. Tons of nerve damage/issues. Stenosis. Both knees replaced. 50 yrs old. I had a great fall (hence my user name) at age 41 and it has been a domino effect every since.
  • The sciatic nerve runs down your leg and through your heel out into your foot. Could be from your lower spine, could be bone spurs. Most likely from your back.
    3 level spinal fusion, L3/4, L4/5, L5/S1, November 2008. Stiff, but I can walk.
  • Tony,

    If you look at the Dermatome map, the heel is L5, the outside side of your heal is S1, and if inside S2. With your describing L4/L5/S1, my money would be 'bet on back' for the cause.

    Brenda
    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • i can trace the pain from my right hand side of my lower back through my right but cheek down my thigh {rear not front} then it misses my knee then the signal is picked up again at my ankle /toes and heel .i can actually feel it and if i push along the route it make my feel sick {the route being from lower back all the way down to my heel } its not the worst pain that i have had but its making walking very painful and accentuating my limp and if i am showering and have to move my weight from one leg to the other the pain makes me go hot and nearly pass out the only time its not too bad is when i am reclining and when there is no weight on it ...saying that ...even if i move i can feel the heel pain ..i think that all the damage in my lower back is causing more problems .by the time i get on the table in hospital i dread to think what more damaged has been done .....another analogy ..in my mind is ..if you drove a car with a grinding noise coming from a wheel bearing and did not get it fixed by the time you did get it fixed there's a good chance that more damage would be done to your car ..and i feel like that's what going to happen to me .{my car is fine by the way} i feel that the longer i go untreated the worse things will be when i do eventually get seen too and my recover time will be longer ..but that doesn't seem to bother anyone other than me and my family doctor ...talk about the caring nation !
    t
    1997 laminectomy
    2007 repeat laminectomy and discectomy L4/L5
    2011 ALIF {L4/L5/S1}
    2012 ? bowel problems .still under investigation
    2014 bladder operation may 19th 2014
  • Sorry Tony. I know my back issues are changing, and so is my neck (neck is priority), and that is a sucky feeling for sure. Is there any chance you can advise your contact person to advise them of the changes? One would hope that if they see progression, you would be moved up? Sorry, I'm in the US as you know, so I don't know the dynamics of your health care system.

    Brenda
    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • p155 the consultant off anymore than i already have done my doctor and i have ..over the last few months phoned and written but all is does is get the consultant and his crew annoyed ..the last letter that i received was rather curt telling me to lay off and wait until i am called in ...not those words ..but that was the general gist of it
    they are over run with work and with all the cut backs are making things worse.so can't do anything about my situation .they just don't care i am just a long number on a computer in a big office and when my number comes up ...then and only then i will be seen and operated on ..my worry is that i will have deteriorated and the operation will be harder to do and longer to recover from .and i will need to be assessed so that's another discography/MRI/CAT and bloods all because the tests that they did nearly 6 months ago wont be accurate ,,so even more trips to the hospital ..i don't know why they got me in and did all the pre op tests if they had no intention of operating on me within a few weeks rather than months
    its just window dressing !!

    t
    1997 laminectomy
    2007 repeat laminectomy and discectomy L4/L5
    2011 ALIF {L4/L5/S1}
    2012 ? bowel problems .still under investigation
    2014 bladder operation may 19th 2014
  • I'm so sorry that you're experiencing new symptoms now (heel pain), you don't need any more pain to deal with right now. I can really understand your concerns that by the time you do get called for surgery, you'll have to undergo all the routine tests all over again. I also feel your total frustration and anger about why you've had to go through all the pre-op tests 6 months ago when the surgery isn't expected to take place for quite a while yet.

    I wish I could offer you a solution or alternative ways of 'getting around the system' but I know you've been there, tried that, and I feel so frustrated on your behalf. It makes me wanna scream and shake them by the throats and ask them what on earth they're playing at? I know it's not their fault. They are only working to strict schedules and limited resources like everyone else in the NHS. It totally sucks!

    After all the different opinions you have sought over the years, it must be so hard to place your life in someone else's hands and to feel that your whole future [good] health is down to one surgeon and his team and I understand how you must be feeling so let down by 'the NHS system' right now. I just wanted to let you know that I would feel exactly the same as you - I'm rooting for you and know alot of people on SH are too. HANG IN THERE!!!

    Have you told your GP about the new symptoms?

    SUE
    2 x Microdiscectomy 2005 / PLIFusion 2-level 2010 / revision surgery 2011 / NEVRO Senza spinal cord stimulator implanted February 2013. I WILL NOT GIVE IN / UP !!
  • Tony,

    I guess if one were to look at patients as faceless, and as a number, it makes sense. Not that I think it is fair, but it makes sense. I can never 'feel' your pain specifically, but I do know the pain levels I've been at where I was practically dragging my surgeon to the OR. I have a feeling you've been in that position for quite some time. Fingers crossed the OR will be sooner not later!!

    Brenda
    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • yes my GP and i have a very good relationship .i emailed him than we had a chat about my new problem .he recons its coming from my lower back {as i thought } and suggested that i rest it and strap it up during the day .he said that he can't give me anything stronger for the pain as i am on about the strongest pain killers you can get .he hopes it will burn its self out ..i have been doing more than normal like little walks with the dog and more swimming .so not only has my heel flared up my lower back has also flared up too ...can't win!
    tx
    1997 laminectomy
    2007 repeat laminectomy and discectomy L4/L5
    2011 ALIF {L4/L5/S1}
    2012 ? bowel problems .still under investigation
    2014 bladder operation may 19th 2014
  • Tony,

    I'm glad to hear you were able to communicate with your GP. I am assuming that he will add this new symptom to your medical jacket? As for doing more, and as such maybe inducing this, boy have we all done that! Follow what he said, and see if it backs down. I hope it does - you don't need more pain on the 'regular' daily pain which is bad enough right?

    Brenda
    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • Hi Tony, sorry you are having more pain now. I too have heel pain, but mine is actually from my feet. Seems the more we try to correct our gait to make our backs feel better the more we wreck our feet and ankles. My podiatrist injects cortizone in the bottom of my heels. I have Plantar Fasciitis , fancy term for my muscles shortening from the irregular gait. The shots actually work wonders, you may want to ask your gp about it. If it works it is more then worth it. He does the shot in his office takes 2 minutes and I get many months of relief. In fact it lasted a year last time. Not saying this is your issue but maybe it isn't sciatica and it's worth seeing someone to look at your feet.
  • giving me a list of back related symptoms {with some one that's got the same problems as i have } its an article from the lancet .he has highlighted some interesting bits ..and one of them is ankle and foot problems from collapsed disks {i have 2} and if L4 is collapsed then foot /ankle problems are more likely.it gets worse if i go to sleep on my broken recliner {being prepared on the 22nd of this month} and if i do weight bearing stuff like walking.so just using it !!.i have read many things about back surgery and procedures and had many chats with my family doctor and various surgeons and they all say the same thing ..and that's when one presents with continuous back problems over a long period .the chances of permanent pain relief is 0..and if that persons back has been opened up and operated on we are just in to the realms of damage control .the only chance of back pain going away is if it happens to a very healthy young person and the damage is small and the operation is done by a very experienced consultant .unfortunately for many of us we are in our 30/40 even 50 when our back give us any problems requiring surgery and as we all know and sites like this prove many of us are still in pain and require more and more surgery ..in short ..back pain can't be cured .maybe just managed ..then there's various degrees of management some can hold down a fairly demanding job with only a small amount of pain relief but for the majority of us . once our back GO .that's it .pain is for life ..and unfortunately from being 29 i have gone from a fit healthy slim man to a wreck and as the years have slipped by every attempt to help the pain had just compounded the situation .i know that's there are many on here with worse problems than myself .and i know he wont mind but the lovely bob {as in the forest } has just undergone some serious surgery and how he is managing on his own is amazing {i don't know how you do it bob}.good on you bob ..maybe we can have a skype conversation without complications!
    t
    1997 laminectomy
    2007 repeat laminectomy and discectomy L4/L5
    2011 ALIF {L4/L5/S1}
    2012 ? bowel problems .still under investigation
    2014 bladder operation may 19th 2014
  • If someone is young, fit and healthy and spine surgery is undertaken sooner, rather than later, then I do believe they would have a greater chance of getting a more sucessful outcome, than for example, someone who is 70+ and who has had back problems for 30 odd years.

    With the surgical advances/new technology that have been made over the years, and the surgeon's own desire to improve their knowledge/skills, I also think that people who undergo spine surgery can have a much better quality of life once they fully recover from the procedure, whatever age they are, providing they heed the surgeon's restriction rules and don't overdo it (ha! It's too easy to push yourself just that tiny bit more when you're feeling much better - I've done that and have paid the price for it).

    It is unfortunate that, for some people, surgery isn't always the be all and end all of their chronic pain history, I wish it was! From my point of view (and I've had 3 spine surgeries in 6 years) I believe that because my back pain comes from a degenerative condition (amongst other things), it might well be that I may need surgery again in the future, who knows.

    I also agree that if you've had back problems for years and years, it can affect the way you walk and could cause other joints to over-compensate when you're trying to protect your back from even more pain. This may well be what's happening to me because it seems that I've got 'sacro-iliac joint' pain and other symptoms that I didn't have before. Also, as well as in my spine I've now got osteoarthritis in my hands and knees as well as Raynauld's disease. The ageing process sucks!!!

    My doctor, only 2 weeks ago, said that in his opinion he feels that the back pain I have now (and other referred pain) is something I'll have for the rest of my life - but it doesn't stop me from trying to help myself, as you have Tony, by doing more walking and going swimming. I've also joined a gym and the trainer has given me a personalised programme to start me on very light weight training that should help to improve my supporting back muscles and tone me up a bit.

    So, after what my doctor said, I now tend to agree with you also that for some people back surgery is a way of managing pain rather than curing it. Thank goodness also for effective pain medication!!!

    It can get a bit demoralising when you read posts from people who have had invasive surgery and are still experiencing back pain years later, but I have to keep reminding myself that for those people whose surgery has been completely successful, they don't post on SH any more because they're fit and well and are too busy working and socialising etc.
    SUE
    2 x Microdiscectomy 2005 / PLIFusion 2-level 2010 / revision surgery 2011 / NEVRO Senza spinal cord stimulator implanted February 2013. I WILL NOT GIVE IN / UP !!
  • Edited by Tamtam as spam.
  • Oh good God, will this ever end? It's like tonight has been spammer hell! Worst I've seen on here anyways!!!

    Brenda
    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • dont over do it ..you will regret it ..i am a member of a gym too but i never use the equipment just the pool .there is tendency when in a gym to over do things but remember your back even though you have had a very good consultant and he has done a very neat job .you dont want to pluck it up! .if you can manage it i would suggest the cross trainer with no resistance if you want to go on the machinery keep off the running machine {too much pounding|} and be careful on the static weights .keep off the free weights .if i were you i would stick to the pool
    tx
    1997 laminectomy
    2007 repeat laminectomy and discectomy L4/L5
    2011 ALIF {L4/L5/S1}
    2012 ? bowel problems .still under investigation
    2014 bladder operation may 19th 2014
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