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Amercian's -Are We A Pain Pill Nation ?

MsHumptyDumptyMMsHumptyDumpty Posts: 1,567
edited 06/11/2012 - 8:53 AM in Pain Medications
I am not sure if this link is allowed - I am hoping it is. This is a video from anew channel about American's and Pain meds.


I feel two ways about this subject.

1. I acknowledge that this IS a problem. That many people are abusing pain meds.

2. As a patient who NEEDS pain meds in order to have any type of a life. I would be curled up in a corner in a very dark place without pain control.

3. This topic is becoming more and more common in the news and on TV shows and other medias. However I am only hearing about the problem. I am not hearing any solutions that (in my opinion) are truly reasonable.
Like this link I posted above. The person says how horrible pain med are abused in the USA compared to other nations. However the options are not being shared with us.

I am not opening this to debate with anyone. I just want to share what is being voiced by the media ;)

L1 - S2 "gone" useless in 1 way or another. DDD. RA. Bone Spurs. Tons of nerve damage/issues. Stenosis. Both knees replaced. 50 yrs old. I had a great fall (hence my user name) at age 41 and it has been a domino effect every since.


  • Beth,

    I hope your weekend went well, and hopefully low on the pain scale.

    I just viewed your link. Thanks for posting it. I actually agree with much that was said in this doctor's interview.

    Florida is (hopefully soon will be was) the Oxycodone capital of the states! Where the doctor on here says many doctors (GP's being the worst for easy scripts) are afraid to say no, my GP has you come in, she checks you over, and also you have to show diagnostic tests that validate your condition for needing pain medications continues. I think part of the law that just passed in Florida - you have to have current proof of a medical need for prescription pain medications.

    I almost fell out of my chair where this doctor mentioned some countries can only prescribe 1 day at a time! Holy wow!!!

    I've read that some countries, if you leave your doctor for another, there has to be documented a very valid reason for doing so (like moving for instance) thus cutting down doctor shopping. Other countries only one particular doctor can prescribe pain medications short of post op medications. I think tighter rules are coming, and maybe that will actually make it easier for those of us that *medically* need pain relief to get it without stigma.

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • I am a regular viewer of fox so I have seen that clip before. What is interesting is on Sunday mornings they have Dr Manny(forget his last name), that has made it clear that taking prescription pain meds is safer than over the counter meds. I like to say news like this doesn't apply to me, as I know I have a well documented reason for meds. So I really pay no attention to these articles. Is their abuse out there you betcha, and the problem is and still is figuring out how all of this gets on the streets for sale. If you couldn't find your particular meds in a pharmacy cause they were out, I guarantee your corner drug dealer knows how to get them. In the process of fixing the laws it will in someways effect us, but that is okay with me, as the laws need to be fixed to protect us the patient and the doctors. Personally my primary won't prescribe medications like this on any long term basis, he refers to pain management. Part of the reason is he doesn't keep up on that field of medicine and doesn't want to short the patient on care. I total agree with his approach. He did have to cover me once for a month, but I made a appointment and discussed it with him ahead of time. My surgeon did have to cover me not long ago for a month, he said in reality i should beable to fix the issue in two weeks which I was able to. He also doesn't want anything to do with prescribing long term meds. My issue is I am work comp they should pay the meds and every once in a while start some garbage they are not paying any longer and I have to get court orders to put it back in place. I follow all the rules in pain management and never have issues other work comp cutting me off, and for legal reasons it has to be done the right way. But I tend to say those articles are not intended for us, so don't worry about them. I do know people whom have abused these drugs and it is not pretty and of course being i use them, I have asked how they get them. It doesn't involve a doctor but rather some shady characters. Trust me it is not the way a chronic pain patient gets meds. To them it is drugs, and their is a difference. They also use them in a different manner than we do. They don't just swallow a pill they snort this stuff or burn it. Which is why I say it is not a medicine to them it is a drug. They are also leaving a very different life style than you and I. It is a shame it is happening and yes some of the laws are going to effect us, in someways, but that is okay with me. In reality once the laws tighten up the way they should be, it will look less worse on us, whom get them legit ways. I liken it to the DWI check points, if your not drinking and driving when you go through them you have nothing to worry about, but if you are then you take the risk of being that car. We all know we want drunk drivers off the roads.
  • The problem with this and all of these "lets get it off the street" drugs and items is that the only ones that suffer or see ill effects are the ones with valid prescriptions.

    As tamtam said above, the local drug dealer knows where to get it, your neighborhood addict will have no trouble finding it.

    "You" on the other hand will see increasingly difficult restrictions from your doctor who is treating your Valid pain.

    As with all of these type actions- I never understand why they make it so easy to break the law and so hard to keep it. Not intentionally of course, but it does seem to be the way it goes.

    Hopefully they'll come out with some non-narcotic way of treating pain that no one gets high from... and everyone in pain will eventually benefit.
  • Thanks everyone for explaining this situation to me in more detail.

    Here is what may be a silly question. I have never gotten "high" from my pain meds. So how do these people do it? Through the snorting and/or smoking methods tamtam posted about?

    L1 - S2 "gone" useless in 1 way or another. DDD. RA. Bone Spurs. Tons of nerve damage/issues. Stenosis. Both knees replaced. 50 yrs old. I had a great fall (hence my user name) at age 41 and it has been a domino effect every since.
  • Beth,

    It basically boils down to the brain. For those of us with pain, the medication tries to target those receptors in the brain. If there is no pain, then the "pleasure" centers of the brain come into play. It's funny, on some of my pain meds I've gotten a 'buzz' the first few times, but it was more of a nuisance than that of pleasure.

    Addicts need to 'feed' the pleasure center, we need to feed the 'knock this pain down please' center! Totally different uses for totally different physiological results!!

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • I remember taking a strong pain meds the first time and although I "wasn't right" - there was absolutely nothing "pleasurable" about it. I hated it, esp. not being in control. What scares me the most ...having an untreatable pain scares me... I also hate dealing with the side effects..like most here, I am just trying to control "the beast" (my pain).

    People that abuse drugs usually don't take them by mouth - to get more "effect" they smoke it, snort it, inject it. I remember being shocked hearing about Steve Tyler of Aerosmith on David Lettermen talking about snorting Ambien! Who would have "thunk"?!

    My PCP would never prescribe pain meds - he's kind of one of those "all natural" and "try accupuncture"; thank God I do have a pain doctor that has also taken me seriously, when pain is better, we taper, when pain is new/worse we try to address it - one way or another. I've always been 100% honest with my pain doctor - if I have break through meds left over one month I tell him, when things are worse I tell him. I hate the fact that the government is going to be telling him what he can or can't do...
  • Hmmmm now I am a diagnosed Insomniac and I think my Primary Doc tried every damn sleeper they make that my Ins would cover....I could have saved all that time and money and just snorted the first med they gave me...AMBIEN....lol...JK you all...I'm a nurse and I don't snort meds or make my patients snort any either...8}
  • OK this makes sense to me now - Thank you :)

    My Dr had me try oxycotten (sp?) and within 3 days I was begging him to stop. I told him I would have had better success drinking water. They did nothing for me. I noticed no "high" or any thing. When I went in to see him to change pain meds around I said "I don't get the big deal of people abusing this drug" and explained how it was if I had taken nothing. His response was something like "oh wow you must really be hurting worse then I realized" and we moved on to pain patches and BT pills and adjusted them until my typical steady pain level was at a 5 on average and I said "OK we can stop now I can live with this level of pain and the meds don't make me feel drugged or anything".

    He later explained to me my choice to stop at this level was a wise one. That if I get a new injury or this one gets worse or I get used to meds and so forth I will be better off long term then the people who demand they are made pain free 24/7.

    PS: What does this mean? [quotes]I hate the fact that the government is going to be telling him what he can or can't do...[/quotes]

    L1 - S2 "gone" useless in 1 way or another. DDD. RA. Bone Spurs. Tons of nerve damage/issues. Stenosis. Both knees replaced. 50 yrs old. I had a great fall (hence my user name) at age 41 and it has been a domino effect every since.
  • Genetics play a part in some addictive behaviors. I've been on and off narcotic pain meds for years now. I have no problem with taking it when needed or not taking it for extended periods when I don't need it. However, some folks are wired differently and cant tolerate not having the drug on board.

    My little brother (31 yrs old) has dealt with pain med abuse from when he was injured on the job several years ago. Other members of my extended family have issues with alcohol. It's just the nature of the beast. The human body is so complex, I don't think anyone will fully understand how we are made up and why we do certain things.

    I put the blame on drug issues straight on pharmaceutical companies. When was the last time you picked up a magazine and didn't read an ad for a designer medication that you "should ask your doctor about"? The patient shouldnt ask the doctor about taking any one specific drug! Let the doctor actually review your condition and make a recommendation based on the 12 years of higher education they have attained. New drugs aren't always the best drugs. I could write a thesis on this subject, but I think you get the idea.

    Bottom line - if a drug is advertised in print or in the media, insurance companies shouldn't pay for the medication. Look at the actual cost of the drug and see how much the companies are spending on advertising. You will be shocked!

    Several Epidurals, L4-S1 360 ALIF, Numerous Facet Joint Injections, RFA x2
  • Keith,

    I am with you on this one. Remember when cigs used to be advertised on TV and in magazines and that all came to a end. But some how with this problem growing into a epidemic we still find it okay to advertise on TV. This issue is actually different cause you can't go buy it for yourself, you have to have a script for it. Doctors wonder why their patients are asking for specific medications, the answer is not that hard to find. It is in front of them every single day of every hour of the day being advertised. Actually some of it is even being advertised in your doctors office, like those little models that have Soma written all over them. I mean what a better way to advertise the product than placing it on model that your doctor is holding up to show you about a a spine. I just find the whole thing interesting that this goes on everyday, and no one says a word about it. But yet everyone is upset about the amount of prescription drug abuse. Drug companies spend millions if not billions in order to get their product name out there. For example look at the drug cymbalta. That drug is highly expensive, but as I sat in the office the other day her came the drug rep with more samples to hand out. Then look at the amount of advertising they are doing on TV and magazines, but yet the price is not coming down, at all.

    As far as the drug addicts go I will tell you they look for drugs that are in capsule form as it is easier to change the intended way it is used. They call it popping or capping. Ask a good drug dealer whom the rep is for some of these drugs and they know who they are and where they live. When something happens to a load of those samples it is brushed under the carpet and no one is the wiser. Just another way for that stuff to get on the streets is all.
  • There are new meds out there that are made to prevent abuse. They just took one of the market because it had a absorption problem and you didn't get the pain relief it was supposed to give. AbUsers will always find a way to get their fix but some of them will actually negate the effect of the narcotic and send an addict into withdrawls. That's what I call a good pain med.
    My Primary care only does the pain patch with break through pills, like humpty dumpty I don't believe it's necessary to be pain free just tolerable level.
    laminectomy c4/c5 2008, ACDF c4-c7 Jan 20 2014 sched
  • Pain medications are abused in every country, state, city, region, etc.. everywhere. In some countries (ours) it may appear more prevalent, but only because those studies are skewed and not taking into account that in other countries some 'drugs' are legal and/or easier to get from a Dr if the patient is in pain. In the US people can spend more time in prison for drug related 'crimes' than they do for rape or murder. More money is spent on the 'war on drugs' in this country, more studies, more interest etc., but this whole war on drugs thing is keeping a lot of people in jobs, many are gov't jobs, and most are not working.

    Now that the gov't will soon be taking over in our health care and playing a huge role in what our Drs can/cannot do as far as tests, treatment and even medication, I do believe that tighter rules are coming, but I don't feel that this will make it any easier on the 'true' chronic pain patient (and just who gets to decide this I wonder, who is a true CP patient). I think a persons Dx's will be more important than ever in that respect. An awful lot of people might be dx'd w/drug addiction and be referred to addictionologists, as there are more and more of those type of clinics going up, but nobody is doubting that yet, and probably won't.. until it hits close to home and affects them in a personal way.

    There is a line being drawn in the sand (so to speak), and those who suffer with CP really should stick together in this. It is not our place to accuse 'seekers' or form opinions of who is deserving vs who is not, because soon we may all be seen in that same light. After all, it is only our word when we explain our pain, side effects of medication and the like to our Drs, just as important as the next persons word. So who is going to decide who is the 'true' CP patient, because every person has their own opinion-even Drs, but soon we will all only be statistics.
  • We most certainly are. We take pain pills in form or another for everything imaginable. I'll extend that to easily cover North America and Europe. Haven't really read up much on APAC.

    Let's take it a step further though. We are a "fix-it-all-with-a-pill" society. What happens when you go to the doctors for the most part. Let's see..

    You: Doc I got this problem here, it hurts.
    Doc: Oh I see that, let's run and do some test.
    You: Ok what is wrong.
    Doc: Oh you have this, here is a prescription, take this pill for 30 days, come back and see me.

    Sound familiar? Isn't that what most doc visits come down to?

    It started more with our parents and now with our generation. Modern medicine is mainly a bunch of people trained to hand out the right drugs for each problem.

    Until you get to surgery that is more typical than not. That is not just Americans. It's societal.

  • A interesting subject that was brought up here makes me ask this next question.

    Why don't we see pain meds ads on TV or in any other media form?

    Is it illegal?

    I am NOT saying there should be ads. I am just saying I am surprised there is not.
    L1 - S2 "gone" useless in 1 way or another. DDD. RA. Bone Spurs. Tons of nerve damage/issues. Stenosis. Both knees replaced. 50 yrs old. I had a great fall (hence my user name) at age 41 and it has been a domino effect every since.
  • Graham,

    I have to say, I agree with much of your post!!! Sadly, "pills" are pushed to fix us too many times!!!

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • I don't think it's illegal per say, but "Not the flavor of the week" is more likely. I see Lyrica, Cymbalta, Plavix all the time. I guess they are going to the standard pain person?

    I mean, who wants a patient asking for Oxycodone for pain? Red flag....?

    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
  • You'd be surprised at what patients ask for...I've had patients come right out and tell me...I don't take those meds THAT doctor ordered for me!!!! "My normal doctor" usually has me take:__________!!! And I've heard it all from Oxy to Viagra...lol...

    Then there are the patients that know EXACTLY what to ask for and HOW to ask for it WITHOUT the red flag coming up...only reason I MIGHT see a red flag is cause I'm from a small area and although the patients may DOCTOR hop...so the docs don't catch on...it's hard to NURSE hop!!!!

    When you come into the hospital you don't get to "request" a nurse...LOL...although some of you may have wanted to a time or two...sorry in advance for my fellow people who treated you wrong...
    But just so you all know...I ROCK when I nurse...haven't done it in awhile...but will be happy to get back at it!!! LOL....
  • It works both ways- I cannot take percocet. The only thing it does is make me throw up. No pain relief regardless of the doses they've given me in the past. So now, I say no to it. I can take vicodin, it isn't the greatest, but it works better than throwing up and no pain relief.

    Am I supposed to not tell a doctor who thinks he's helping me by suggesting it?

    I do get confused, because when I mentioned it to the pain management doc (and asked him to verify with my GP), I got the "I don't prescribe anything stronger" speech.... it is the main reason I cancelled the shots I'd scheduled with him. If he can't be bothered to listen to me when we're talking face to face, how much worse will it be when he's behind me trying to stick needles into a spine that won't take them?

    so long story long.... yep, we're a pill nation. If we've got diabetes that can't be controlled by diet alone, we can take a pill. If we have heart trouble... yep, we can take a pill. If we've got mental health issues... more pills. But if we've got pain, we're just drug seekers? What a world.
  • The times change like everything else. One of my former bosses had a disc issues about 15 years ago and they put him in the hospital for two weeks in a traction device. Now if that was today, there is no insurance or hospital that is going to do that or approve it. Today he would be sent home, told to go to therapy, given some pills and told to go to work. So while we say were a pill nation also look at the number of days that people are kept in the hospital compared to the length of stays say 15 years back. Sure some of the procedures have gotten some what better but some are the same. For example a lady at my beauty shop had a cervical spine fusion some 30 years ago, has the same incision as I do, but spent 10 days in the hospital, where I used a surgery center and was home the next day. She had 6 months off work, I had 10 weeks off work. The point is they can give those meds now and expect them to work and it is less expensive than keeping people in the hospitals. Insurance dictates the shortest possible time, and the most cost effective way to handle a condition. Many times the pills do resolve a issue and the person is back to leading a normal healthy productive life style. Well the healthy part is debatable, they are back in society being productive.
  • You bring up a very valid point tam- my mom spent weeks at a time in the hospital all through my childhood, in traction. It always seemed to help for a while... she might go months or even a year or two without going back... but then she'd make a bed, or hang out a sheet or just move wrong, and back she'd go.

    The last time it happened, they put her on a fentynal patch and that's been it until now. It helped her, don't get me wrong... the agony she had been in over the years was, for the most part, gone, but I do wonder sometimes if she would have been better off with traction again.

    I often wonder if we are better off with the little pill fix...lets face it, we see it all the time here. Member hurts, member gets a pill, member feels better... so, in one day, they go out and do the chores that have accumulated for weeks if not months. Then, member in pain... then member back to doc, surgery... more pills....

    ...and it helps her on her way, gets her through her busy day.... ;)

    different pill, same issue.

  • The insurance companies are ruling the medical community and with shorter hospital stays and out patient surgeries, there's no choice but to take more meds..as needed..my medicine cabinet would be a junkies dream..but I only use as needed, as when you need it to work, you need it to work... We with chronic issues realize this, probably more than the average person with few problems, but we are a pill nation as mentioned, no question about it. But if we didn't have access to the meds, where would we be?
    Let's face it, with so much manufactured foods and pumped up animals, I think pills will become even more prevalent, as this can't be healthy for growing kids... more autism, more diabetes, less excercise will mean even more meds for them starting at a younger age...my thoughts anyway..
  • MsHumptyDumpty said:
    A interesting subject that was brought up here makes me ask this next question.

    Why don't we see pain meds ads on TV or in any other media form?

    Is it illegal?

    I am NOT saying there should be ads. I am just saying I am surprised there is not.
    Drug companies are very careful about marketing & advertising; believe me those pain drugs are being advertised, quite heavily, in every major medical journal or "throw-away" of any specialty that typically prescribes meds. The companies know its not PC to put oxy ads on TV...
    A very interesting thing happened just a few years ago. A chopping block came down on "Big Pharma". What does that mean? It meant no drug lunches, dinners, golf, or trips for doctors, no pens or post-it notes in the office. (We know how the spine docs are compensated with product use and honorariums or "consultation" fees). So big Pharma has taken what they previously used on "gifting the prescribers" and for the most part have directed it in two directions - heavy sample & rep. visits of drugs, or direct-to-consumer advertising (the TV ads, Prevention magazine etc). Getting caught with the "old tricks" of gifting doctors can get a big Pharma company a fine of $50-70 M+.
  • I am actually good friends with my PM Dr. outside our appts...we go for coffee or lunch from time to time and it's so interesting to hear things from the other side of the coin..

    He is an Anesthesiologist...and got into PM about 8 years ago from working in a hospital with anethesia..

    He is truly a caring and wonderful Dr. and hates to see people in pain..He is actually ok with all the DEA rules getting more strict...even though it makes for more work for he and his staff with all the details...it's been helping to weed out more people who are coming to him for the wrong reasons.

    He has always required his patients to sign a contract. But starting this year he has had to do urine tests and pill counts...To me...it's no biggie as whatever makes it easier for him to get rid of those wasting his time!..

    To the medicine issue...yes...this is quite a new thing over the last 25 years...After I had knee surgery as a teenager...the standard after anything was some 5mg Percocet...and for the small things...like a broken bone...it was Tylenol 3...

    The issue my Dr. sees most is people coming in and asking for meds as people have mentioned here...I mean...if you are going to use him as a Dr...let him make a decision what is best for you after you tell him how much pain you are in...what you can/can't do...and looking at test results like MRI's..etc...but he didn't spend 12 years in medical school, residency, and then another 8 in his practice to have someone tell him what they have to be prescribed..

    Or.."only narcotics work for me"...huge red flag to him.

    The other thing is that people will not give a medicine a chance...this raises a red flag to him...unless there is a life threatening side effect...a medicine should be used for at least a month to let your body adjust..and even then...ALL medicine have some side effects that are mostly mild...it's a trade off...

    Another issue is that patients refuse to be part of a 'team' that include himself, the patient, the Pharmacist, a Surgeon if needed...
    They won't do other things to help their pain ...they just want narcotics..people say.."oh i tried an injection..it didn't work"...or.."I did PT..it failed"..

    These things should always be in use...every day people should do exercise (even just walking 30 min. a day or recumbent bike..something)..PT.(can be done at home)...aqua therapy, injections, massage, cognitive behavioral therapy, use of muscle relaxers, antidepressant if needed, possible sleep aids..(can be natural)..

    As well as eating well to keep your weight healthy is crucial..

    His pet peeve is people who refuse to quit smoking...he told me that he and other Dr.s think to themselves.."if the person is willing to do something to destroy their health and life..they really don't want to help themselves"...and he will do everything in his power to help them quit..

    They also look at how heavy a woman's purse is...because some people who say they can't lift a milk carton...then carry a purse that is heavier..

    And when he prescibes a medicine...it takes time and tweaking to get to a proper dosage..
    Or they say.."I'm at a 10!"...when they have driven themselves to the Dr. and heading off to work..

    Be realistic with your pain level..they need to hear things like.."It hurts the most when I try to wash my hair" or.."when I bend down or twist it is a sharp pain here"...they need specifics...

    While I think the internet and boards like this are wonderful for support....the possible downside is someone new to chronic pain...or an injury...will come on and see people taking these heavy duty meds and think.."Why can't I take those! My Dr. won't give them to me, he's a jerk"...

    Or they read online on other websites that a medicine..'doesn't work'...so subliminally if they ever get this medicine...it won't work!..

    They don't realize that people go online to talk about their troubles...and other websites are there for complaints...not all the good reviews of something..

    Or they want a narcotic or medicine to take get them completely out of pain. Back to a O...which is never the goal...it's Pain Management...using many modalities each day to help it not be excruciating..

    Lots of us have been in CP for so many years...over 10 for me...and 3 fusions and a brain tumor...so it's taken time...and even so..I am on a 'low' dosage of medicine...less than what my Dr. wants me to take...but I am ok with a 5-7 each day...and able to function and be alert...

    These are a lot of things I have learned from my Dr. as well as reading a lot of literature over the years about my own type of pain and medicine..

    It's about a decent quality of life...and hopefully finding a caring Dr. to work with if an issue can't actually be 'fixed'..
  • Lovetrotravel said:
    While I think the internet and boards like this are wonderful for support....the possible downside is someone new to chronic pain...or an injury...will come on and see people taking these heavy duty meds and think.."Why can't I take those! My Dr. won't give them to me, he's a jerk"...

    Or they read online on other websites that a medicine..'doesn't work'...so subliminally if they ever get this medicine...it won't work!..
    So true, and though I agree with most everything else that you said in your post.. I do have another worry concerning new pain patients and forums. I get concerned when people new to PM come in with questions on how best to talk to their PMDrs, and the answers they get are more along the lines of coaching the patient, when the honesty and words of the patient themselves should be enough to get the treatment they need.(I see this frequently in some forums/sites).

    I can understand giving a new CPP tips on what kind of things to ask their Dr/s medically, but I think there ought to be a line drawn when getting too close to 'teaching' a patient how to maybe get better medications, or to be seen as a better pain patient. In other words, I think the patients words and actions should speak for themselves and if they are new it will appear they are new to the Dr., if they are coached or learn too much online, that can work against the patient.

    It's true too that other medications, along with diet, other treatments ie; PT, stretching, excercise, injections, etc., all play a role in the world of PM, but not all people feel comfortable taking/trying a lot of different medications-and I can understand that too. I have had to try a lot more than I am comfortable with to remain in compliance with my contract, and there are times that that, in and of itself has been more of a danger than a help to me.

    I think it's great that you are good friends with your PMDr outside the patient/Dr relationship, however, he is still only one PMDr and has his own ideas/beliefs/ways, some that are unique only to him and does not constitute the same ideas/beliefs of any other PMDr., just as all patients are different and unique. But most of the generic thinking that many Drs have as far as treatment with their CPPs is similiar, in that CP should be evaluated and treated in a manner according to reaching a certain goal.

    The goal being pain management and the question being 'Amercian's -Are We A Pain Pill Nation?', I would say that a great deal of us do depend on pills (along with other things of course), but certainly medications are important in the treatment of pain relief for a great deal of Americans, and in other countries as well.

  • Lovetotravel - I believe you summed up in one post what many CP sufferer's and medical professionals have always wanted to say!

    Thank you for taking time to post your thoughts;)

    Several Epidurals, L4-S1 360 ALIF, Numerous Facet Joint Injections, RFA x2
  • Thanks Robin and EMS...I have learned so much from my PM over the years...as well as being in CP for so long...I am happy to share that information from the 'other side' of what one PM Dr. and some of his colleagues are thinking...

    I appreciate learning new things from others on here as well...

    Robin..I agree...I am very blessed to have him as my Dr..I went through some awful one's before him...same with my Neurosurgeon now who did my 3rd fusion...he is wonderful! My 2nd surgery was truly horrible...

    So I also know what it's like to have bad Dr.s to appreciate what I have now!
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