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Mind Body Syndrome

Since my surgeries and PT I've looked for pain relief in all the usual interventions - more spine injections, post-op scar tissue removal, spinal stimulator, various drugs (and combinations thereof) - and live a life that revolves around pain medication, a half-life at that. This is compounded by depression and anxiety that hit me very hard after I attempted to return to work and failed.

The latest 'straw' I've grasped is Mind Body Syndrome class [recovery from MBS, that is]. The premise of this is that your mind creates the back pain you are feeling, it remembers how such pain is generated and it replays it despite the absence of any obvious issues with the spine.

The rationale for MBS is compelling once you get over the natural rejection of "all in my head, no way!" Compelling, but also hard to remedy. I've attended the classes, am working on the exercises, but apart from a few times I've managed to skip some pain meds it's so very slow to get traction beneath it.

I'm wondering if there are others on the forum who are working on MBS, or have been down that route already? I would love to hear from you

Best wishes,
David
David
3x L5/S1 surgery
In pain since 2010
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  • im kind of where you are but I have never heard of mbs. I too suffered depression and extreme anxiety when I attempted a return to work and failed miserably. I know exactly the pressures that are put on us and expectations. and today I am still worrying about my next return to work. I just had my first surgery 9 weeks ago and I know its still in acute stages but im very much worse off thenbefore the surgery so far. I will do some research mbs and see maybe that's something I can try next
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  • dilaurodilauro ConnecticutPosts: 10,065
    is very interesting.

    It seems as those the pain someone can feel today could be results of things that took place in their life earlier, or as a result of some tragic event, your childhood environment, or present day circumstances

    That all seems to be such a broad range of potential culprits for the condition. Your mind has been twisted to feel pain even after all the standard and non-standard means of treatment are administered.

    That all points to the need for psychotherapy. But thats a field I know little about, so I will leave that to someone who has some understanding of the total picture about this.

    But in a very simplistic view, One is not going to eliminate the pain through standard medical approaches, but that it will take intervention of a psychologist trained in this area.

    Wishing you the best

    Ron DiLauro Veritas-Health Forums Manager
    I am not a medical professional. I comment on personal experiences
    You can email me at: rdilauro@veritashealth.com
  • Dont you have obvious issues with the spine if you had spine surgury? That is my gap with this thinking, why did it take an injury to cause old trauma early on to surface. I for example had loads of bad crap happen to me prior to spine health , including surguries and I could shrug off the pain or surgury shortly after fixed. Why would those memories or trauma not surface then and only with spine issues? Thats the part that confuses me, but I practice whatever works and if its working why stop.
    Herniated T6-7, multiple herniations in cervical, tears in T5-T8. Stenois at levels and smorls nodes from thoracic thru lumbar
  • dilauro said:

    Your mind has been twisted to feel pain even after all the standard and non-standard means of treatment are administered.
    Not so much "twisted" Ron, it's a physical reaction to an emotional issue. The evidence to support this is fascinating. Of course it isn't the silver bullet for all back pain but it becomes an interesting line of enquiry when there are no longer medical answers to ongoing pain. A simple, "what was going on in your life when the pain first presented" can throw some light on the connections.

    It's early days for me as far as MBS is concerned. I waver in my skepticism / belief but really what else do I have? A monthly $40 co-pay to a pain clinic for my Rxs and a 10 minute chat. A head and body so impaired that I can't find any work I can safely do. I'm determined to have a better middle and late life than this...
    David
    3x L5/S1 surgery
    In pain since 2010
  • thoracic spine painthoracic spine pain Posts: 566
    edited 02/12/2014 - 10:35 AM
    I do believe there is a strong mind body connection but if the pain did not start before you did damage to your spine -it throws the theory out the window.

    I was told the pain was in my head and caused by physiological issues. I started to believe them. Was in so much pain I was willing to try anything. Got any old psych issues fixed - the pain was still there - the psychologist could not believe how much pain I was in.

    I think it's a theory as they don't know have a panacea to fix chronic or intractable pain. What a joke. If you broke your arm would they send you to a psychologist. Then you break your back and it's caused by some past psychological issue.Ha ha.

    When my physio worked out what had happened after 8 long years, she gave me instant pain relief. So it wasn't in my head, was not psychological, it was mechanical.

    I think a lot of so called therapies are money making ventures targeting desperate people who will do anything to get out of pain. There is a gap in the market for miracle cures. Just like the 'Secret' - think yourself into a big house, stick a picture of the house on a board or on your fridge next to your childrens' drawings and it will instantly manifest, You don't have to work for it - just think it, much easier than putting in the real time an effort - the lazy persons guide to wealth - thinking will make it happen. We laugh at primitive people who believe in the cargo cult - build an airstrip and believe a plane will land there from outer space and give them supplies.

    If specialists spent a bit more time and made a correct diagnosis of the cause of the pain, that would be much more helpful. When they can't work out a correct diagnosis as spine and central nervous system pain is complex they tell you it's your fault - your mind must be playing tricks. You have to be joking.
  • Dav1d105 said:
    Since my surgeries and PT I've looked for pain relief in all the usual interventions - more spine injections, post-op scar tissue removal, spinal stimulator, various drugs (and combinations thereof) - and live a life that revolves around pain medication, a half-life at that. This is compounded by depression and anxiety that hit me very hard after I attempted to return to work and failed.

    The latest 'straw' I've grasped is Mind Body Syndrome class [recovery from MBS, that is]. The premise of this is that your mind creates the back pain you are feeling, it remembers how such pain is generated and it replays it despite the absence of any obvious issues with the spine.

    The rationale for MBS is compelling once you get over the natural rejection of "all in my head, no way!" Compelling, but also hard to remedy. I've attended the classes, am working on the exercises, but apart from a few times I've managed to skip some pain meds it's so very slow to get traction beneath it.

    I'm wondering if there are others on the forum who are working on MBS, or have been down that route already? I would love to hear from you

    Best wishes,
    David
    David I do believe that our state of mind can affect our pain. I find if I let things get on top of me and get stressed, feeling sorry for myself the pain gets worse. I actually took a diploma in hypnotherapy to get into a positive mindset. Has it helped? Yes it did, until the discs bulged into my spinal column and leg nerves, I have down days but I am working hard on trying to get a good balance or positive thinking, I am still here on this planet and I am going to have a good time. If I have a bad day, I have a good cry then make a list of positive thoughts affirmations.

    What you are doing sounds interesting and I would love to hear more about it :) I'm always up for trying anything and everything
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