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please help !!!!! " spondylolisthesis"

israaiisraa Posts: 18
edited 01/05/2016 - 5:28 AM in Lower Back Pain
i have spondylolisthesis stage 4 and i want to ask if anyone can help me with what can i do to reduce the pain without having to take medication ?
thank you
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  • What did your doctor tell you? From everything I've read and from personal experience spondylolisthesis grade 3, surgery seems to be the most regularly suggested remedy. Especially if you have severe stenosis as I did. Be very forceful and make sure your doc knows how much pain you are in. I know how I felt and it was misery. I hope you get the answers you are seeking. Wish I could be more helpful. Kathy
  • Sheri76Sheri76 Michigan Posts: 497
    edited 01/05/2016 - 9:33 AM
    I also am confused about why surgery hasn't been done yet. I had grade 3 also, and from what I've also read, stage 4 would be emergency surgery. I would for sure want to get a second medical opinion.
  • My doc said that not all the symptoms are out like nomnes in my legs and cuz am only 19 he said it will be better if I wait until I have all symptoms then get to the surgery and also he said that its along healing after surgery and am still studying so I can't leave my university .....the pain am in is unbearable but for my luck that my legs haven't experienced the nomnes all time ....although there is the burning in my heps ...thank you kathyy and Sheri and I tried the ice bag ,the hot water plow and hot water bath but nothing really helped if u have any other advice maybe on some exercise or any thing might help till I get to surgery sorry for keeping it long thank you again
  • I also have spondy and have started getting pain in both hips. The pain in my back is bad enough, but hip pain is really getting me down. Has anyone had relief from injections? I really don't want surgery.
  • I have pain in all my lower body and surgery is the only hope for us that's what my doc said but pconte you can try ice bags its helpful some times or hot water bath I don't want a surgery the idea is really scare but if it can put the pain out I will do it and I don't know about relief from injections thank you pconte I hope you will get better
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  • I have spondy also in my upper lumbar area - I don't know what grade but know that it's 5mm. My surgeon said that I could have surgery any time I want, but it won't be NECESSARY until my spine becomes unstable. Right now we're just dealing with taking care of the pain. I would imagine that your doctor wants to wait because you're so young. Once you have surgery, there's the fear that the level above your surgery will be taking the pressure and won't be able to handle it for long.

    Take care and listen to your doctor.
  • Thank you cath111 I really didn't know that and now that I know it I surely will wait until the right time comes thank you hope we all get better
  • Cath111CCath111 Posts: 3,702
    edited 01/07/2016 - 5:39 AM
    I'm glad I could help. Nobody should get surgery on their spine unless it is mandatory by a spine surgeon. It can open a whole can of worms, so I hope that you can continue on for as long as possible.

    I'm not sure what you can do about the pain in the meantime, but try looking at "The Blend" on this website. There's a lot to try and one or more of them might make it bearable.

    I also get horrible pain in both hips when getting up from a sitting position, but its worst when I get up from bed in the morning. I sleep great, it's just the getting up that's so bad. It subsides after a while, thankfully.

    Take care,
  • thank you again i will look it up right now ...and am going to be strong try to avoid surgery......mornings are really hard for me too i found that if i woke up and sat on the bed for like five minute it will make if less painful when i stand as i sat i breathe slowly and then stand holding my sisters hand for a minute until i can stand alone ....i am really thankful to get to know you all am really happy that i can get advises from all of you ...hope you are doing good
    take care you too thank you again cath :)
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