injection for scar tissue?

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Anonymous (not verified)
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injection for scar tissue?

Has anyone had steroid injections for nerve pain due to scar tissue? I saw an orthopedic surgeon that said "no surgery, but possible injection to relieve inflammation of nerve." I just am wondering if this has helped anyone. My thought is... if the scar tissue that's causing the inflammation isn't removed, how is a steroid injection going to help? Maybe for a week or two, but that's not worth it to me. He also recommended P.T. for me, so I'm giving that a try. He says it's "just" scar tissue and that my discs look good. "Just" scar tissue doesn't exist in my honest opinion. Scarring hurts just as bad as a disc. Any thoughts/suggestions?

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dcguy (not verified)
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epidurals

I had a series of 4 epidurals recently for post micro-D scar tissue. They seemed to help (things are more tolerable now), though now my pain management doc thinks I might other issues too that are causing my pain. He also gave me lyrica and celebrex to try to address the problem. I share the concern about what happens when the shots wear off if my nerve hasn't calmed down and the scar tissue is still there. Some docs have said it would "reaborb," while others have told me that theory was nonsense.

I hear you about it "just being scar tissue." The surgeon who did my micro-D told me the problem would just go away, but my second and third opinion docs seemed to be more concerned about how much scarring developed and started me off on pain management. I've heard some nonsense from other docs about scars being natural (as if I didn't know that), apparently not grasping what it feels like to have a big one on the sciatic nerve that isn't going to disappear. My scarring pain has gone on longer and in some ways is worse than the pain from the original herniation.

I've read some stuff online about "lysis of adhesion" and the "racz procedure" for breaking up scar tissue, but it sounds like there's not a lot of medical evidence there in support of the procedure and insurers generally won't cover it. It's just frustrating that there's so few options (and apparently not much research) on how to address scar tissue problems.

dcguy (not verified)
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P.T.

One more thing... I notice a lot that docs and regular folks attribute excessive scar tissue to lack of P.T. and other movement. I was pretty active after surgery within reason (walking, stationary bike, stretching, etc.), and I got clobbered with pain from scarring 8-9 weeks after surgery. One doc told me that big herniation = big scars, so not sure that a few stretches will deal with it. On the other hand, can't hurt.

csp (not verified)
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Scar Tissue

dcguy,
How long have you been dealing with your scar tissue? Are you going to have any other surgeries to try and remove it? One of my doctors said that if I still have leg pain in June, that he would "wrap" my nerve to help protect it. I went to a spine orthopedic surgeon yesterday and he had never heard of that - or so he said. My neurosurgeon (who did my surgery) is the one who mentioned the wrap. I'm just afraid to let anyone else back in there. I'm actually going to ask for another MRI or CT scan to be sure it's only scar tissue. It will be my 4th MRI this year if the doc says okay. I'm thinking he'll just think I'm crazy for asking for another one. The last one I had done was 2 months ago, but I've shoveled and lifted kids since then, so I'm paranoid.

Lyrica and Celebrex? What are they for? And why does your doc think they will help? Zachback (another person on here) said his doctor is going to try Singulair to try and help with scar tissue when he has his next surgery. I'm curious to see how that turns out. I would love to hear that something actually works for us.

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csp (not verified)
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lysis of adhesions

dcguy,
I looked up some info about lysis of adhesions. That actually sounds promising. I wonder why doctors don't talk about this. Sounds like it's helped some people.

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dcguy (not verified)
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I've been dealing with scar

I've been dealing with scar tissue since the end of July. It's been pretty miserable and I felt much better before surgery than I do now.

The sense I've gotten from the doctors is that removing the scar tissue just risks new scar tissue forming, and no one has figured out a good way to limit the scar tissue that gets formed. I've heard of docs taking out the scar tissue, but not sure what criteria they use.

I wonder if this is the wrap your surgeon had in mind? http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00387829

I've read about adcon-L gel being used with micro-Ds to limit scarring, but I guess it's fallen out of favor.

I asked my pain doc if my nerve would ever "learn to live" with the scar tissue next to it, but he didn't want to commit to an answer.

The celebrex is supposed to help with nerve inflammation and the lyrica to deal with nerve pain. I also take tramadol as a general pain reliever.

I wonder how much lysis of adhesions would cost.

csp (not verified)
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scar stretches

Have you been doing any gliding exercises for the nerve root? Have you had any physical therapy? One of my dilemmas is that I can't tell if I've re-injured my disc or it's just the scarring pulling on the nerve. When I shovel or life something, the pain gets bad. This leads me to believe it's the disc. But, then again, who knows. If the pain is always there, going up and down in severity, how do you ever know what's wrong? (Does that make sense?) I keep asking for more MRI's to make sure it isn't another disc fragment. Doctors are going to begin thinking I'm nuts.

Not sure if my neurosurgeon was talking about the same stuff as is in that website or not. He didn't give it a name. He just said, "wrap." It scares me on one hand, but has me curious on the other.

Funny how I asked my orthopedic doctor about wrapping the nerve, and he said he didn't know what that meant. Is that because he doesn't want to try it??? It seems that if he's a "spine specialist" that he know all the new-fangled surgery techniques.

I've also found sites on Duragen and Neuro Wrap online. There's all kinds of things out there, but the doctors seem uncertain when you talk to them. I'd really like to try vitamin E injections into my scarring. I read this online and that it actually worked. The problem is, again, if the doc has never heard of it, or it's too new, they probably won't try it.

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dcguy (not verified)
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My surgeon did give me

My surgeon did give me another MRI (with contrast) when the problems started to see whether it looked like scar tissue or reherniation. I was freaked for a while that I'd reherniated.

Not sure why, but they never referred me back to PT after the scarring issue erupted. But I'd been doing all the stretching and strengthening stuff at home anyways.

I saw the pain management doc today and he wasn't surprised about my pain levels going up and down or different things feeling painful or tingling on different days. He thought that the scar tissue might be affecting lower level nerves besides L4, so that why my legs feel like crap in general. The pain doc said that spinal cord stimulation was a potential option down the treatment path.

csp (not verified)
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scar tissue

Did your doc tell you how long before this scar tissue is completely formed? Will it keep forming forever, or changing forever? Will your pain level off or keep changing? (Just curious)

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itsalongwalk (not verified)
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Hi there,

I have had 3 spine surgeries and all the evidence now suggests I am dealing with scar tissue around the nerve.
My problem is that as soon as I do anything, it irritaes the nerve, spasms my back and my pain flares.
I am having PT to glide the nerve but that also flares the nerves.
I know it is nerve, it switches on in a milisecond, vibartes auff, it is horrid, floors me for up to 10 days.

Regards the steriods, I have been given some to help reduce the inflammation. I think it helps a bit but as you say, this is short term. Mine are wearing off now and it is not good. Nor do I really want to have another injection.
There has been a post about the fat wrapping, Zachback I think posted it.

Take care

dcguy (not verified)
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I got the impression that

I got the impression that the scar would stop growing at some point, but my symptoms have sort of varied. Things have gotten a little more bearable for me (though still awful), but that could be from the epidural.

I have a friend who had a pretty bad experience with scarring after his L4-L5-S1 microdiscectomy. He's got some pain on a daily basis still, but he said the nerve calmed down some but it took months.

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